Bad news for stocks. Good news for PP
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:22 pm
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Stocks reflect underlying businesses that grow their revenues and profits. While interest rates, the level of economic activity, and demographic trends (and so forth) reflect which businesses do the best and how fast they all grow, having a long-term real growth rate of "several percent a year" is probably going to continue over the long run (as measured in decades and centuries, assuming we have capitalism as the economic system). Note that I'm ignoring potential "black swan" events (e.g., world wars, world pandemics, peak resources, whatever) that might alter this rate temporarily or permanently.Clive wrote: The studies I've made for a range of stock styles indicate that 80+ years ago typically 6% real (after inflation) share ownership gains were a common average. Projected forward in time that real gain progressively becomes smaller, up to the most recent decade where shares marginally lagged inflation overall on average. The average for all such samples works out to around 3.5% - but that shouldn't be taken as a long term guideline as the overall slope is downwards.
This is the basis of Modern Portfolio Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_portfolio_theory): invest in classes of assets that are minimally correlated with each other and let the zigs of the different asset classes cancel out the zags. Rebalance periodically to lock in the gains. This technique depends on "reversion to the mean" where the hot asset classes of the latest decade become the laggards in the next decade, and the laggards become the leaders in the next decade. While asset correlation is not fixed (it changes over time), the skilled asset allocator can usually get somewhat better returns than the non-allocator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_allocation). Also remember the old joke that the only thing that goes up in a bear market is correlation because all asset classes go down when investors get scared and rush for the exits at the same time.Clive wrote: If you have a bunch of assets that each generally provide inflation pacing gains over the mid to longer term, but that zigzag relative to each other over the interim, then you can exploit those motions by reducing from current leaders to add to current laggards using a constant value (or weighting) approach such as used by the PP. So doing will result in an above inflation reward over the mid to longer term assuming each of the individuals achieve inflation gains over the total period.
This is a very interesting thought, and it does seem to make sense to me, although at the end of the day, many of these companies UK/US are all competing globally, so I would imagine this "waste" factor would be very minimal or non-existent.Clive wrote: Some years ago, can't recall exactly when, the US decided a taxation policy that favoured retention of earnings over paying out dividends. The UK in contrast continued with higher dividend payout rates.
My guess is those extra retained amounts just get wasted (big bonuses, failed expansions etc.).
I think the market handles this. If indexing becomes so widespread that securities start getting mispriced, investors will sense this and some will go back to active trading. When active management doesn't seem worth the cost, some investors move back into indexes. Some of this happens indirectly with performance chasers flowing between active and passive mutual funds. Human nature being what it is, I doubt we'll ever come close enough to 100% in either camp to have serious problems.moda0306 wrote: ... if too many investors become index investors, then who's there to make sure the company's even try to earn a profit?