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What if she gets knocked out of the race???

The political class is seriously underestimating the impact of Hillary Clinton’s email controversy. They see it mainly as a problem of public opinion and electoral politics, where it has been increasingly costly but not yet fatal. The political damage—the drip, drip, drip of revelations—has been bad, but there is worse to come.

Hillary Clinton’s big problem now is legal, and it could well be insurmountable politically. Here’s why. Once a “political” issue finally moves into the legal system, as the Clinton email server has, it moves forward with an independent logic. That logic will slowly ensnare Secretary Clinton.

You can already see it happening. Two weeks ago, the Department of Justice acknowledged that it “has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information.” The referral was not criminal, and the Clinton camp immediately pummeled the New York Times’ sloppy reporting that it was. But that’s small ball and misleading at that. The DOJ is not investigating a civil matter here. It is investigating a crime. As that investigation moves forward, it will take on a life of its own, as it should in a government of laws.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 27758.html

This is turning into the most interesting election I can remember. Consider the possibility...

The Wall Street/Real Estate Plutocrat Donald Trump vs The Plain Spoken Socialist/Champion of the Working Man Bernie Sanders.

I seriously doubt I'd vote for either of them, but I'd probably get sick from all the popcorn I'd consume watching the donnybrook.

Hillary is totally in the hands of Obama. If he turns the FBI and the DOJ on her full force she is toast. If he orders a whitewash then she can thrive again claiming to be as pure as the driven snow.

Not sure that's an unimpeachable news source, but it does sound as though things are getting more serious for HC.

She had claimed initially that nothing classified was being sent to her home email server.  That wouldn't protect most people from things like HIPAA laws, but the media seemed to think that was good enough to ignore the story for a while.  But it was announced just recently on CNN that in fact, some classified info was on her home email server.

If that's true, I agree with Reub that the only thing protecting her now is any pressure the administration is putting on the DOJ.  This would make the race a lot more interesting.  I actually think Elizabeth Warren is the one who would jump into the void if Hilary is taken out.

Although, to some extent I think the whole email thing is ridiculous.  Our medical center has similarly restrictive rules on emails, but then they have an absurdly low quota on their exchange server - which forces you to download emails regularly.  Wonder what they think is happening to those emails, and how long it will take before somebody drops a drive on the subway with a year of archived emails.

Desert wrote: If Trump and Hillary are both eliminated, I'll throw a major party at my place.

I think that is likely.  We'll be invited, right?

Stewardship wrote:

Desert wrote: If Trump and Hillary are both eliminated, I'll throw a major party at my place.

I think that is likely.  We'll be invited, right?

I'll bring the Southern Tier 2X IPA. 

Or the Lagunitas Little Sumpin Sumpin. 

I'm trying to find some Pliny the Elder. 

... M

Didn't Hillary have some ambassador fired for doing even less?

Oh yes, here it is:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/06/ouste ... nal-email/

"Former U.S. ambassador to Kenya Scott Gration told The Daily Caller that Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff fired him based on an inspector general’s report which found, among other things, that he routinely used an unauthorized email account to conduct official government business.

The revelation of Clinton’s then-chief of staff Cheryl Mills’ involvement in Gration’s termination — which Gration shared in an email from his home in Kenya — adds another wrinkle to a story of an apparent double-standard within the State Department.

During her entire four years as secretary of state Clinton exclusively used a private email account — HDR22@clintonemail.com — to conduct all official and personal business."

Trump on Hillary:

"I think Hillary has got huge problems right now," Trump said.

"Is she going to make it? I hear this thing is big league. Why did she do it? You use the server? Because [the Clintons are] always looking to go over the edge, whether it's Whitewater or anything else. They always want to go over the edge.

"I'm just looking at it saying, 'What the hell was she doing? You know what she was doing? She was guarding from the president seeing what she doing."

Trump thinks the email fiasco will spell the end of Clinton's presidential hopes.

"It just looks like Hillary is going to not be able to run. It looks to me like that's what's going to happen," he said, adding that what Clinton is alleged to have done — sending highly classified material over a non-government email system — "is 10 times worse than what Gen. [David] Petraeus did."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/donald ... id/670161/

Interesting that he thinks that she was doing this to keep her emails away from Obama. That can't make Obama too happy.

Reub wrote: Interesting that he thinks that she was doing this to keep her emails away from Obama. That can't make Obama too happy.

That's just a calculated way to frame the issue so that Democrats feel more comfortable turning on her.  Pretty smart, actually. 

Wouldn't it be ironic if the first female President turns out to be, wait for it, Carly Fiorina?

Desert wrote:

Stewardship wrote:

Desert wrote: If Trump and Hillary are both eliminated, I'll throw a major party at my place.

I think that is likely.  We'll be invited, right?

Definitely.  And it sounds like Mountaineer's bringing the booze. 

If it comes to pass, in the land of the woebegone SALs, I will most definitely have to do a poll of this illustrious forum members to determine the exact amount of booze required.  I would not want to have any left over that could be absconded by the derlicts in DC. 

... M

Mountaineer wrote: If it comes to pass, in the land of the woebegone SALs, I will most definitely have to do a poll of this illustrious forum members to determine the exact amount of booze required.  I would not want to have any left over that could be absconded by the derlicts in DC. 

lol

Desert wrote:

Mountaineer wrote:

Desert wrote: Definitely.  And it sounds like Mountaineer's bringing the booze. 

If it comes to pass, in the land of the woebegone SALs, I will most definitely have to do a poll of this illustrious forum members to determine the exact amount of booze required.  I would not want to have any left over that could be absconded by the derlicts in DC. 

... M

Very good point! 

Hey, I'll shoot Hillary an email and see if she's interested in joining as well.  I think she's gonna need a drink.  I'm planning to have assigned seating at this party, to facilitate good communication between forum members.  I think it would make sense to seat Reub and Hillary fairly close together, just for entertainment value. 

Here's Hillary when she sees who she'll be seated with:



Just kidding Reub, I'd never do that. 

I don't think the Secret Service would allow it anyway.

Call me a cynic but I think the Clintons might very well be working together with Obama to get this over and done with so it can be safely swept under the rug as soon as possible. Which I have to predict it will be.

And then when she's elected she can return the favor some day.

Fred wrote: Call me a cynic but I think the Clintons might very well be working together with Obama to get this over and done with so it can be safely swept under the rug as soon as possible. Which I have to predict it will be.

And then when she's elected she can return the favor some day.

Being a paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

The guests of honor, a few drinks in.

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Hillary should sit next to Donald.

I think they'd get along.
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I think these two might get along too.  Might need a resurrection.  Looks like it will be a rather large party.



... M

Mountaineer wrote: I think these two might get along too.  Might need a resurrection.  Looks like it will be a rather large party.



... M

Poor taste.

For the younger crowd who may not remember some of the more minor details:

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn't even get a vote in a democrat party controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female Attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood - Both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration after it was discovered that they both had hired illegal aliens. Next she chose Janet Reno- husband Bill described her selection as "my worst mistake." Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and.The Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of Deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the appointment of Attorney General. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier's radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department.  Her selections went well: Hubbelwent to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedywas forced to resign.

Many younger voters will have no knowledge of "Travelgate." Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson - and the White House Travel Office refused to comply.
She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dalewas charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds.  A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the President denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven Presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the "bimbo Eruption" and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the Debacle were:

* She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.  After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

* She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

* Hillary's devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for lying under oath to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

* Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" a total of 56 times while under oath.

* After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, China, and artwork that she had Stolen.

What a swell party - ready for another four or eight year of this type of mess?

Now we are exposed to: the destruction of possibly incriminating emails  while Hillary was Secretary of State and the "pay to play" schemes of  the Clinton Foundation - we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But  to her loyal fans - "what difference does it make?"

... M

What makes Hillary dangerous is that nobody cares about all of those scandals. It's like there are so many and they've been going on for so long that we're all numb, and we kind of expect them anyway. You see the same pattern with recent attempts to tear her down with any of the recent scandals (Benghazi, emailgate, etc). It's like water off a duck's back. I think better avenues of attack would be to highlight her neocon militarist positions, plutocratic wall street connections, and hag-like physical appearance. Tie her to old money, old ideas, and old people. The only people I know who are actually enthusiastic about Hillary are Democratic women in their 60s or older.

Ad Orientem wrote:

Mountaineer wrote: I think these two might get along too.  Might need a resurrection.  Looks like it will be a rather large party.



... M

Poor taste.

Don't be sexist.  Its perfectly fine for women to wear pantsuits.

Guys. Don't you get it? She's a woman so nothing else matters.

Reub wrote: Guys. Don't you get it? She's a woman so nothing else matters.

Yes, well in addition to being a monarchist I also support the application of Salic Law.

Mountaineer wrote: For the younger crowd who may not remember some of the more minor details:

... long list of old scandals deleted

I remember these well, but the problem is that scandals just sort of float away very quickly.  This happens just as often for Republicans, so there's nothing unusual about the Clintons in that regard.  Remember Iran-contra for example?  I'm still amazed Reagan was never impeached over that.

The other issue is that Hillary was viewed as a victim, as was Bill as well at some point, because after a while it just looked like the Republicans wanted Ken Starr to prosecute Clinton for something...anything...just keep looking you'll find it.  It was a bit bizarre really.

The bigger issue is that I just don't like most of the things that Hillary the candidate says, and there are plenty of women who think the same.

I'm hoping for pretty much any combination other than Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush,  but I'm afraid that's what we're going to end up with.  Bleah.  I'm definitely not a fan of a 3rd Bush in the white house.  It would really start to look like we're veering back toward a monarchy.