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7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF as a proxy for Cash

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:05 pm
by robtkatz
For the cash portion of my Permanent Portfolio, I'm using IEF: iShares Barclays 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF.  Is that a good proxy for Cash?

Re: 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF as a proxy for Cash

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:21 pm
by Pointedstick
Nah. Cash isn't where you want your volatility. Stick to SHV, SHY, or treasuries. The more you increase the duration on the bonds you use for cash, the more the cash quadrant of your portfolio resembles the bond portion, which can decline sharply during periods of inflation or rising interest rates.

Re: 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF as a proxy for Cash

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:52 pm
by Ad Orientem
No. Cash is for safety. That's not safe and there is way too much potential volatility there. It could skew the returns on your PP.

Re: 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF as a proxy for Cash

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:58 pm
by robtkatz
robtkatz wrote: For the cash portion of my Permanent Portfolio, I'm using IEF: iShares Barclays 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF.  Is that a good proxy for Cash?
Pointedstick wrote: Nah. Cash isn't where you want your volatility. Stick to SHV, SHY, or treasuries. The more you increase the duration on the bonds you use for cash, the more the cash quadrant of your portfolio resembles the bond portion, which can decline sharply during periods of inflation or rising interest rates.
Ad Orientem wrote: No. Cash is for safety. That's not safe and there is way too much potential volatility there. It could skew the returns on your PP.
Alright, gents, you've convinced me.  I'm going with SHY: iShares Barclays 1-3 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF

Re: 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF as a proxy for Cash

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:03 pm
by Ad Orientem
;D

Re: 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF as a proxy for Cash

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:03 pm
by sophie
Boy, that was easy.

Cf numerous previous threads about "improving" on the 25% cash allocation that everyone loves to hate :-)

Here's my favorite old thread on that subject:  http://gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/pe ... -pp-asset/

Re: 7-10 Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF as a proxy for Cash

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:59 pm
by sophie
TennPaGa wrote: If cash is the asset that everyone loves to hate, I'd say bonds is the asset that everyone hates to love. ;)
:-*

That deserves a place in your signature line!!