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"AP

President Barack Obama is the worst president since World War II, according to a plurality of voters in a new poll published Wednesday.

The Quinnipiac University survey found 33% of American voters named Obama as the worst while 28% named his predecessor, George W. Bush.

"Over the span of 69 years of American history and 12 presidencies, President Barack Obama finds himself with President George W. Bush at the bottom of the popularity barrel," Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a statement."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/poll-obam ... 29150.html

TennPaGa wrote: Interestingly, the same poll ranks him as the 4th best modern day president, after Reagan, Clinton, and Kennedy (and ahead of Eisenhower, Truman, Johnson, GHWBush, Carter, Nixon, Ford, and GWBush).

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/pollin ... 73jabn.pdf

I think this speaks to the politicization of our country in the last 15 years.  Obama has a lot of ardent supporters that still worship the ground he walks on despite his miserable track record.  It was essentially the same with Bush.  I think Obama could be caught on tape murdering a child and 20% of this country would justify his actions and continue to support him.

Both of these bozos have set our country back significantly.  Obama through a lack of leadership and working with others.  Bush through his horrendous decision to invade Iraq.

clacy wrote: Both of these bozos have set our country back significantly.  Obama through a lack of leadership and working with others.  Bush through his horrendous decision to invade Iraq.

Oh and let's not forget Obamacare, the TSA, the PATRIOT act, the war in Afghanistan, NSA spying, drone murdering U.S. citizens, endless subsidies and bailouts, legitimizing torture, the militarization of domestic police forces...

Really, these two clowns together seem to have worked together pretty well to wreck things. It's like nearly every bad thing Bush did, Obama has either continued or ramped up, all the while adding his own disasters.

Pointedstick wrote:

clacy wrote: Both of these bozos have set our country back significantly.  Obama through a lack of leadership and working with others.  Bush through his horrendous decision to invade Iraq.

Oh and let's not forget Obamacare, the TSA, the PATRIOT act, the war in Afghanistan, NSA spying, drone murdering U.S. citizens, endless subsidies and bailouts, legitimizing torture, the militarization of domestic police forces...

Really, these two clowns together seem to have worked together pretty well to wreck things. It's like nearly every bad thing Bush did, Obama has either continued or ramped up, all the while adding his own disasters.

How do you REALLY feel about the two bozos? 

... Mountaineer

Pointedstick wrote:

clacy wrote: Both of these bozos have set our country back significantly.  Obama through a lack of leadership and working with others.  Bush through his horrendous decision to invade Iraq.

Oh and let's not forget Obamacare, the TSA, the PATRIOT act, the war in Afghanistan, NSA spying, drone murdering U.S. citizens, endless subsidies and bailouts, legitimizing torture, the militarization of domestic police forces...

Really, these two clowns together seem to have worked together pretty well to wreck things. It's like nearly every bad thing Bush did, Obama has either continued or ramped up, all the while adding his own disasters.

Hope and Change!

clacy wrote:   I think Obama could be caught on tape murdering a child and 20% of this country would justify his actions and continue to support him.

Probably more than 20%.  Look back at the OJ trial.

TennPaGa wrote:

Benko wrote:

clacy wrote:   I think Obama could be caught on tape murdering a child and 20% of this country would justify his actions and continue to support him.

Probably more than 20%.  Look back at the OJ trial.

Hell, just look at the George W. Bush presidency.  Bush sanctioned the murder of alot more people in Iraq before people realized how awful he was.

Muzzies don't count, Tenn. 

Sorry... dark humor engaged again... I'm done. 

It occured to me:

75% of people beleive obama lied about the IRS scandal.  That scandal alone i.e. sicking the IRS not on a bigwig political opponent but on people, average people (sorry, but conservatives really are people)  is worse than what nixon was impeached for.  This is how Chiciago politican's operate and this alone makes Obama the worse president recently in my mind.

Benko wrote: It occured to me:

75% of people beleive obama lied about the IRS scandal.  That scandal alone i.e. sicking the IRS not on a bigwig political opponent but on people, average people (sorry, but conservatives really are people)  is worse than what nixon was impeached for.  This is how Chiciago politican's operate and this alone makes Obama the worse president recently in my mind.

Thank God regular people weren't among the THOUSANDS of Americans who lost their lives when Bush deliberately misled Americans about Iraq, or the tens-if-not-hundreds-of-thousands of Iraqis.

To be fair, though, I'd rather get blown up 5,000 times than have to survive an audit, so my sarcasm is probably a bit unwarranted.

Benko wrote: 75% of people beleive obama lied about the IRS scandal.  That scandal alone i.e. sicking the IRS not on a bigwig political opponent but on people, average people (sorry, but conservatives really are people)  is worse than what nixon was impeached for.

The problem is, they could tie it all directly to Nixon with the recordings. So far there's no smoking gun direct connection to Obama. Obviously the IRS is a federal agency that he oversees, but the connection is still too indirect, and he can still claim that he had no idea and was totally in the dark. I love how they do that, by the way. Whenever there's some major scandal, all of the sudden they'll cop to being fools who were asleep at the wheel who had no idea what was going on their own cabinet in order to avoid having it all linked back to them!

moda0306 wrote: To be fair, though, I'd rather get blown up 5,000 times than have to survive an audit, so my sarcasm is probably a bit unwarranted.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

moda0306 wrote: Thank God regular people weren't among the THOUSANDS of Americans who lost their lives when Bush deliberately misled Americans about Iraq, or the tens-if-not-hundreds-of-thousands of Iraqis.

Since one could justifyably consider murder worse than almost anything, then that could still be considered worse then Obama instilling himself as permanent president.  Not that I am saying he will do that.   

Many many children have come to use US expecting amnesty because of things Obama said.  I gather conditions are not exactly hilton quality for those people.  I'm sure more than a few will die.

PERHAPS ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT: is that one group causes harm from doing what they intend to do (which you may or may not like/agree with), the other groups causes harm from unintended (but expected at least to some) consequences of their actions.  And this should be another thread, though I don't have the time right now to start it.

Benko wrote: Many many children have come to use US expecting amnesty because of things Obama said.  I gather conditions are not exactly hilton quality for those people.  I'm sure more than a few will die.

I think this is a good point. Some of that blood is on Obama's hands. Remember when he couldn't get the DREAM act passed and basically issued an executive order to do most of it anyway? I have a hard time believing that this and other statements and actions of his did not have an impact on the apparent torrent of illegal immigrant children who have started crossing the border.

My wife tutored a formerly-illegal-immigrant-now-legal-resident woman in English for several years. Based on her friendship with this woman (who, by American standards, was poorly educated and very ignorant), the impression my wife came away with was that south of the border, there is incredible ignorance of what the USA is actually like, and rumors based on things our politicians say are often misinterpreted or taken out of context and used as the basis for very foolish actions because of how desperate many people are to enter the USA. I think we need overseas propaganda campaigns to combat this ignorance and misinformation that way Australia has done, as indicated by a recent post of Craig's. Because according to this woman, there are hordes of people who believe that if they make it across the border, they can't be sent back, and most of them have no idea how dangerous of a journey it is.

Simonjester wrote: speaking of a dangerous journey, there are lot of indications that many of these children the administration have invited (inadvertently ..or not) are being raped, molested, robbed, badly injured and sometimes killed on their way here.. he may be in the top two or three for worst president, but if there were a "lord high king of unintended consequences" i think Obama is sovereign leader for life..

Comparing Bush to Obama is not fair. Bush was incompetent and made some horrific decisions after we were attacked on 9/11. Obama is scheming and malicious.

Reub wrote: Comparing Bush to Obama is not fair. Bush was incompetenet and made some horrific decisions after we were attacked on 9/11. Obama is scheming and malicious.

See, I think there is a fair amount of incompetence sprinkled in with his damaging schemes.

I'm not interested in politics or politicians but I saw that dirtball on TV today and I thought about his first six years. I'm sure I'm leaving out a lot of bad stuff but let me provide an overview of the general activities "performed" by POTUS:

lie, play golf, lie more, more golf, hang out with Jay Z, play golf, go to Hawaii, blame republicans, More golf, hang with Lebron, Meet Oprah, vacation, lie, blame republicans, Hawaii, golf, vacation, lie more lie, play golf, lie more, more golf, hang out with Jay Z, play golf, go to Hawaii, blame republicans, More golf, hang with Lebron, Meet Oprah, vacation, lie, blame republicans, Hawaii, golf, Meet Oprah, vacation, lie, blame republicans, Hawaii, golf, vacation, lie more, blame republicans, meet Beyonce, golf, lie some more, Hawaii, meet Will Smith, blame Bush, golf, lie, blame Regan, play basketball, lie, lie, more golf, Oprah again, Stevie Wonder, golf, play basketball, more lies, lie, Hawaii again, lie, golf with Justin Timberlake, lie, blame George Washington, blame freedom, lie, steal, Morgan Freeman, Hawaii, more vacations, more lies, read a teleprompter full of lies, Golf, vacation, lie more lies, play golf, lie more, more golf, hang out with Jay Z, play golf, go to Hawaii, blame republicans, More golf, hang with Lebron,

He's in town (Austin) yesterday and today.  He stayed downtown, and went to different parts of town for fundraisers.  It's been a nightmare for traffic, as the state will close one road for him without telling the city, the city will close another without telling the state, and NOBODY tells the citizens what roads will be closed and when.  Security, you know.

Major, major interchanges have been closed at random today and yesterday evening.  Countless thousands (many tens, I would think) have had a lot of their time wasted for this fundraising.  I was trying to get home last night and US-290 was a complete parking lot.  This morning, people on 360 were getting out of their cars and walking around.

Meanwhile here's how he deals with a meeting with Governor Perry about the border crisis (and still refuses to go to the border despite the Governor's pleas):
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/07/10/ph ... gov-perry/

He is not interested in leading only campaigning.  It worked well enough for him to get re-elected, which says as much about this country as it does him.

clacy wrote: He is not interested in leading only campaigning.  It worked well enough for him to get re-elected, which says as much about this country as it does him.

We have met the enemy and he is us!  I am to the point where no language will adequately express my feelings about dear follower and his minions. 

... Mountaineer

That IS an impressive scowly face!

I do have to wonder about the seating.  Who was responsible for it?  Why are the Governor and President not across the table from each other?

"Hey rookie, we're a conservative online rag, so find me two pictures of Obama laughing while everyone else looks serious....


Oh... You couldn't find one with Perry actually making a believable serious face, or any without two other people in the room smiling?  Oh well... Our readership consists of Rick Perry and Cliven Bundy."


Kidding folks. 

To those of you who voted for and supported Obama, please own up to your blunder.

TennPaGa wrote: Another thought I had about those pictures: Tent cards?

Tent cards for the benefit of dear follower?  But why does he have one, I would think everyone would know him .... maybe so he can remember his name?  Where is the teleprompter?  Where is his water?  Everyone else must think he is a dry speaker (but he loves to talk so much that there would be no time for him to take a drink).  I see his pen, where is his phone ... how will he take action?

... Mountaineer

Reub wrote: To those of you who voted for and supported Obama, please own up to your blunder.

Makes one wonder what kind of blunders are worth owning up to.  Especially when it is something as utterly pointless at an individual level as voting (in a non-swing state especially)

Lyndon Johnson? (Vietnam? Social programs one may not agree with anymore?)

Nixon? (Corruption... More Vietnam)

Clinton? (Bj)

Bush? (Basically being a dim-wit trust fund baby who put Dick Cheney types close to the steering wheel and deliberately misled us into war)?


Nah.  Worrying about who supported who is less useful than focusing on objective arguments (if we are going to talk about politicians) as to why one is materially worse (or better) than politicians in general.

And all that does is help us put thing in perspective a bit. There's not much good that comes from debating which presidents' follies were worse in the context of trying to rate these guys like they're anything worth rating.

If we're going to talk about the wrongs of government, perhaps if we focus on, maybe, why the draft is about 100x more poisonous to individual freedoms than high taxes or minimum wage, then maybe we can come back and re-price our presidential trading cards.

moda0306 wrote:

Reub wrote: To those of you who voted for and supported Obama, please own up to your blunder.

Makes one wonder what kind of blunders are worth owning up to.  Especially when it is something as utterly pointless at an individual level as voting (in a non-swing state especially)

Lyndon Johnson? (Vietnam? Social programs one may not agree with anymore?)

Nixon? (Corruption... More Vietnam)

Clinton? (Bj)

Bush? (Basically being a dim-wit trust fund baby who put Dick Cheney types close to the steering wheel and deliberately misled us into war)?


Nah.  Worrying about who supported who is less useful than focusing on objective arguments (if we are going to talk about politicians) as to why one is materially worse (or better) than politicians in general.

And all that does is help us put thing in perspective a bit. There's not much good that comes from debating which presidents' follies were worse in the context of trying to rate these guys like they're anything worth rating.

If we're going to talk about the wrongs of government, perhaps if we focus on, maybe, why the draft is about 100x more poisonous to individual freedoms than high taxes or minimum wage, then maybe we can come back and re-price our presidential trading cards.

Spoken like a true believer in a "divert is the way to take the heat off of truth and reality strategy".  There is one huge difference between what Reub says and what moda says ... all of moda's references are no longer in office. 

... Mountaineer

Mountaineer,

Of what relevance is that?  Are you going to unelect him if you can prove that Obama's economic policies have been bad for the country?

It serves us to look at a lot of mistakes in history. In fact, I'd argue that we probably should be deliberate about looking at some mistakes far-gone rather than the ones tainted by decency bias.

This isn't about a man (to me anyway). It's about bringing yourself to a better point of clarity on what is right.

And I'd have said this to libs freaking out about Bush in 2007.  Have some perspective.  Of all the things repubs and dems were bitching about in 2008, not one of them was the impending financial crisis that brought us to a remarkably similar set of circumstances to 1929 (though we handled those circumstances differently than Mr Hoover).  So for all the complaining about "what was wrong," we were all missing the boat because we couldn't see past Bush's last stupid comment or dems "socialist/pacifist" agenda.

If the focus really is to be on Obama, I'd call him a weak leader who is inexperienced, but nowhere near as corrupt and evil as the right-wing would try to have us believe.  Dick Cheney on the other hand...

But are we going to really debate one friggin dude that much, and ask for apologies for putting yet another boob in the White House?  If people are going to condescendingly talk about anyone who supported Obama, or any politician, and how they should apologize, they deserve to be put in their place with some historical perspective on who they may have voted for.  And that historical perspective is useful in its own right, not just a tool to silence those who are losing their mind over things that happen in every administration.