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Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:34 pm
by Ad Orientem

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:50 pm
by Pointedstick
Great videos. That host lady, though. Man. Classic case of trying to imply public support for your personal bias by wondering out loud if "some people" might disagree.

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:08 am
by Pointedstick
Celebrity doctor Sanjay Gupta agrees: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/0 ... 25380.html
I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works.

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:05 am
by Libertarian666
Pointedstick wrote: Celebrity doctor Sanjay Gupta agrees: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/0 ... 25380.html
I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works.
Their actual reasoning is: if weed were legal, the DEA would pretty much be out of business.

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:26 am
by Jan Van
Libertarian666 wrote: Their actual reasoning is: if weed were legal, the DEA would pretty much be out of business.
And how many of the current prison population is in there for weed-related issues?

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:32 am
by Pointedstick
The private prison industry would certainly take a hit, too. Not to mention local law enforcement and prosecutors flush with federal cash.

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:37 am
by MediumTex
Pointedstick wrote: The private prison industry would certainly take a hit, too. Not to mention local law enforcement and prosecutors flush with federal cash.
Judges
Prosecutors
Defense Attorneys
Probation Officers
Bailbond Companies
Prison Guards
Prison Contractors
Police Officers

It's sort like the military-industrial complex, except rather than bombs, it's bongs.

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:39 am
by Libertarian666
MediumTex wrote:
Pointedstick wrote: The private prison industry would certainly take a hit, too. Not to mention local law enforcement and prosecutors flush with federal cash.
Judges
Prosecutors
Defense Attorneys
Probation Officers
Bailbond Companies
Prison Guards
Prison Contractors
Police Officers

It's sort like the military-industrial complex, except rather than bombs, it's bongs jails.
Fixed it for you.  :(

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:54 pm
by RuralEngineer
I think their time is running out. People are getting fed up and I think I'll see legalization in the next 10 years.

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:31 pm
by Pointedstick
I agree, RE. The big question in my mind is whether we're going to have real, actual federal legalization like we did for alcohol after prohibition, or license-and-regulate-it-to-death "legalization".

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:57 am
by Jan Van
Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed
I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse.
They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications.
Nice to see people change their mind after actually looking into the subject...

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:33 pm
by Ad Orientem
Pointedstick wrote: I agree, RE. The big question in my mind is whether we're going to have real, actual federal legalization like we did for alcohol after prohibition, or license-and-regulate-it-to-death "legalization".
For the harder drugs I'd like it treated the way we treat smoking. Regulate who can sell and buy it (no one under 18). And bar its use in pubic and quasi public environments along with commercial advertising. Then use some of the massive saved money on education and drug treatment programs.

Re: Some Clarity on the War on Drugs

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:39 pm
by RuralEngineer
As long as I'm not responsible in any way, shape, or form for people's poor decisions and the negative consequences are localized to that individual, go nuts.