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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Mark Leavy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:33 pm

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As we know, the Japanese eat Allota rice. Yet they have some of the longest lifelongevity in the world. How do the no fiber gurus understand that phenomenon?
Even more fun than nutrition, is logic.

Saying that something is unnecessary/not essential provides no information (good or bad) about what other affects it might have.

It's not just a layman's problem. I find logic sorely missing in a lot of white papers.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

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On the subject of magnesium. . . A friend recently mentioned that she had been soaking her feet in epsom salts and finding it an effective remedy for muscle cramps in her feet. My ears perked up because I've recently been plagued with intractable foot and leg cramps at night which have been noticeably relieved by taking a cal-mag supplement (and conversely made worse when I stop the supplement). A couple of days ago, my wrist gave out in a painful way. I have no idea what happened because I was still in bed and did nothing more ambitious than pull the bedsheets up around my chin. As the day went on, the pain became worse, and by early afternoon my wrist was useless and my entire forearm was aching badly. I got to thinking: What possibly could have caused this--an entrapped nerve? Or possibly a spasm of a small muscle somewhere inside my wrist? The more I thought about it, the more I liked the muscle spasm thesis--so much that I went and bought a box of epsom salts, dissolved it in a plastic pitcher of water, and stuck my forearm in the solution for about 30 minutes. An hour or two later, the pain was entirely gone. Not scientific, I know, but one hell of a coincidence.

BTW, my friend also mentioned that soaking her feet in epsom salts (magnesium) has made her sleep much better.
You could be suffering from carpal tunnel syndrome. But then, I am not a neurologist, nor do I play one on TV.

I had CTS and it was misdiagnosed for 6 months until I went to a neurologist who figured out the problem in less than 5 minutes and confirmed it a week later with an EMG. I couldn't sleep for 6 months due to pain and numbness in my forearm and hand, yet had no problems during the day drilling, playing tennis, lifting weights, or using the computer.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by pugchief » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:04 pm

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As we know, the Japanese eat Allota rice. Yet they have some of the longest lifelongevity in the world. How do the no fiber gurus understand that phenomenon?
Do you really think steamed white rice has a lot of fiber? Carbs, yes. Fiber, no.
Ya, but carbs are supposed to be poison, according to the latest line of thought. So let's change Allen's question to "How do the no CARBS gurus understand that phenomenon?"
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:19 pm

Some people do better eating few carbs and more fat, some people do better eating carbs and fewer fats. Everyone just needs to figure out which kind of people they are.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by thisisallen » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:23 pm

pugchief wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:04 pm
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Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:23 pm
thisisallen wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:54 pm
As we know, the Japanese eat Allota rice. Yet they have some of the longest lifelongevity in the world. How do the no fiber gurus understand that phenomenon?
Do you really think steamed white rice has a lot of fiber? Carbs, yes. Fiber, no.
Ya, but carbs are supposed to be poison, according to the latest line of thought. So let's change Allen's question to "How do the no CARBS gurus understand that phenomenon?"
Thank you. :)
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by thisisallen » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:27 pm

Maddy wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:22 pm
On the subject of magnesium. . . A friend recently mentioned that she had been soaking her feet in epsom salts and finding it an effective remedy for muscle cramps in her feet. My ears perked up because I've recently been plagued with intractable foot and leg cramps at night which have been noticeably relieved by taking a cal-mag supplement (and conversely made worse when I stop the supplement). A couple of days ago, my wrist gave out in a painful way. I have no idea what happened because I was still in bed and did nothing more ambitious than pull the bedsheets up around my chin. As the day went on, the pain became worse, and by early afternoon my wrist was useless and my entire forearm was aching badly. I got to thinking: What possibly could have caused this--an entrapped nerve? Or possibly a spasm of a small muscle somewhere inside my wrist? The more I thought about it, the more I liked the muscle spasm thesis--so much that I went and bought a box of epsom salts, dissolved it in a plastic pitcher of water, and stuck my forearm in the solution for about 30 minutes. An hour or two later, the pain was entirely gone. Not scientific, I know, but one hell of a coincidence.

BTW, my friend also mentioned that soaking her feet in epsom salts (magnesium) has made her sleep much better.
I apply magnesium oil to my calves - usually at night cuz I used to get cramps in the AM. It is very effective and easy to use (rub in)
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Mountaineer » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:35 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
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Some people do better eating few carbs and more fat, some people do better eating carbs and fewer fats. Everyone just needs to figure out which kind of people they are.
Indeed. My wife thrives on and prefers (taste) a diet very heavy in pasta, sweets, bread and potatoes. I thrive on and prefer (taste) a diet very heavy in meat, chicken, fish, eggs, bacon, sausage, whole milk and green veggies. Our doctor tells both of us to keep on doing whatever it is we are doing. Bloodwork and physical metrics are all okay for people our age ;) .
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Mountaineer » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:43 pm

thisisallen wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:27 pm
Maddy wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:22 pm
On the subject of magnesium. . . A friend recently mentioned that she had been soaking her feet in epsom salts and finding it an effective remedy for muscle cramps in her feet. My ears perked up because I've recently been plagued with intractable foot and leg cramps at night which have been noticeably relieved by taking a cal-mag supplement (and conversely made worse when I stop the supplement). A couple of days ago, my wrist gave out in a painful way. I have no idea what happened because I was still in bed and did nothing more ambitious than pull the bedsheets up around my chin. As the day went on, the pain became worse, and by early afternoon my wrist was useless and my entire forearm was aching badly. I got to thinking: What possibly could have caused this--an entrapped nerve? Or possibly a spasm of a small muscle somewhere inside my wrist? The more I thought about it, the more I liked the muscle spasm thesis--so much that I went and bought a box of epsom salts, dissolved it in a plastic pitcher of water, and stuck my forearm in the solution for about 30 minutes. An hour or two later, the pain was entirely gone. Not scientific, I know, but one hell of a coincidence.

BTW, my friend also mentioned that soaking her feet in epsom salts (magnesium) has made her sleep much better.
I apply magnesium oil to my calves - usually at night cuz I used to get cramps in the AM. It is very effective and easy to use (rub in)
Does anyone know factually whether either epsom salts or magnesium oil penetrate skin to any significant measure? I remember from my long ago chemistry days that the solvent DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide) was sometimes used to help drugs penetrate skin because skin is usually relatively impervious to most chemicals. I have no idea what current reliable research indicates; I looked on the internet but got a feeling of "selling snake oil" on several of the sites.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:41 pm

thisisallen wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:23 pm
pugchief wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:04 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:23 pm


Do you really think steamed white rice has a lot of fiber? Carbs, yes. Fiber, no.
Ya, but carbs are supposed to be poison, according to the latest line of thought. So let's change Allen's question to "How do the no CARBS gurus understand that phenomenon?"
Thank you. :)
No doubt there is variability. My wife is Chinese and at 51 can still eat anything and not gain weight, and good blood work. She gets it from her dad. Her mom is also Chinese and polar opposite. Overweight and diabetic.

But it is pretty clear at least some types of carbs, probably the higher processed ones are causing great issues in many cultures as they become westernized (like Aborigines) who used to be fit but are now obese and in poor health.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Tortoise » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:15 pm

Two questions for the dentists and dental enthusiasts here:
  • Despite brushing just once a day and almost never flossing, I had no cavities whatsoever for the first 38 years of my life. Then, within the past year I've gotten six cavities filled (four of them in between my upper teeth, in the flossing area). I floss every day now that I've been scared straight. I did recently change dentists last year when I moved. Is my current dentist probably just a lot more zealous than my previous ones, or is there an age-related component to cavity formation?
  • Is there a certain type of mouthwash that's clinically proven to be most effective? (For example, Listerine has alcohol but no fluoride, some other mouthwashes have no alcohol but do have fluoride, etc.)
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by pugchief » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:15 pm

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Two questions for the dentists and dental enthusiasts here:
  • Despite brushing just once a day and almost never flossing, I had no cavities whatsoever for the first 38 years of my life. Then, within the past year I've gotten six cavities filled (four of them in between my upper teeth, in the flossing area). I floss every day now that I've been scared straight. I did recently change dentists last year when I moved. Is my current dentist probably just a lot more zealous than my previous ones, or is there an age-related component to cavity formation?
    Quite possibly the new guy is too aggressive. If you went 38 years with no cavities, and all of a sudden have 6, I would have suggested a second opinion prior to the drilling. Was there any change in your diet or medications?
  • Is there a certain type of mouthwash that's clinically proven to be most effective? (For example, Listerine has alcohol but no fluoride, some other mouthwashes have no alcohol but do have fluoride, etc.)
    Listerine is my recommended OTC mouthwash. If the alcohol is an issue, they have a newer version that is alcohol-free that they claim is just as effective. I personally buy the regular green variety, and the store brand generic saves a bundle. Rx chlorhexidine can be helpful for people with more severe gingivitis.
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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Post by Tortoise » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:28 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:15 pm
Two questions for the dentists and dental enthusiasts here:
  • Despite brushing just once a day and almost never flossing, I had no cavities whatsoever for the first 38 years of my life. Then, within the past year I've gotten six cavities filled (four of them in between my upper teeth, in the flossing area). I floss every day now that I've been scared straight. I did recently change dentists last year when I moved. Is my current dentist probably just a lot more zealous than my previous ones, or is there an age-related component to cavity formation?
    [pugchief] Quite possibly the new guy is too aggressive. If you went 38 years with no cavities, and all of a sudden have 6, I would have suggested a second opinion prior to the drilling. Was there any change in your diet or medications?
    [Tortoise] No change in my diet, and I don't take any medications. Okay, then it sounds like the new dentist (a young guy who just started his own practice last year) is probably just more zealous than my previous ones. But I do like him; he seems thorough and competent. Maybe going forward I'll just ask for a second opinion if he suggests any more fillings.
  • Is there a certain type of mouthwash that's clinically proven to be most effective? (For example, Listerine has alcohol but no fluoride, some other mouthwashes have no alcohol but do have fluoride, etc.)
    [pugchief] Listerine is my recommended OTC mouthwash. If the alcohol is an issue, they have a newer version that is alcohol-free that they claim is just as effective. I personally buy the regular green variety, and the store brand generic saves a bundle. Rx chlorhexidine can be helpful for people with more severe gingivitis.
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