Rest in Peace, Lady Thatcher
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:23 am
The Iron Lady will be missed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJbcOBFo3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJbcOBFo3Y
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Not trying to sully the woman, but sounds like talking points from any Fox News evening broadcast. I would also prefer leaders to stop using the term "islam" next to terrorism. It fans flames that could lead to cultural warfare. These terrorists by killing women and children are acting outside of the tenets of Islam and therefore should not be associated with the overwhelmingly peaceful majority that comprises this faith. If I call myself a Christian yet I violate the teachings of the Bible in every way, would you still title me a Christian?Bob wrote: About 11-12 years ago, Mrs. Thatcher spoke to all the Officers and Sr NCOs at Fort Bliss. I arrived about two minutes before she was to start speaking. I only saw one available seat - in the front row directly in front of the podium. I assumed it was reserved for a General Officer but slowly made my way to the front. It was not reserved so I saw directly in front, less than 10 feet from Mrs Thatcher as she gave her remarks. She spoke about the dangers of the coming century, the EMP threat posed by rogue states and the of course, the upcoming dangers of Islamic terrorism (this was prior to 9 /11). She was was in her mid-70s at that time but still 'sharp as a tack.' I feel fortunate that I had to opportunity to hear her speak in person. May God rest her soul.
Although Chomsky has occasionally used the term "libertarian" as a self descriptive for some of his political views he has in fact little in common with traditional libertarianism beyond his broad support for civil liberties. He is more accurately described as an anarcho-leftist with strong socialist sympathies. As such he would of course despise everything Thatcher stood for.doodle wrote: Libertarian Chomsky doesnt remember Thatcher in quite such fond ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px_k5E0klws&sns=em
I think Chomsky would say that his opinions are in accordance with traditional libertarianism and that it is the American version of the term that is in fact an aberration. You might not like what they stand for, but the term originated as such http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialismAd Orientem wrote:Although Chomsky has occasionally used the term "libertarian" as a self descriptive for some of his political views he has in fact little in common with traditional libertarianism beyond his broad support for civil liberties. He is more accurately described as an anarcho-leftist with strong socialist sympathies. As such he would of course despise everything Thatcher stood for.doodle wrote: Libertarian Chomsky doesnt remember Thatcher in quite such fond ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px_k5E0klws&sns=em
Huh? the etymology of the word suggests that its ancestry is clearly leftist. Based on this, wouldnt you say the political right hijacked the term in response to Roosevelt?Ad Orientem wrote: I am familiar with the basic tenets of so called libertarian socialism. The article you linked reinforces my point. It has little relation to classical libertarianism. See...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
and...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
I would argue that the use of the term by these leftists comes awfully close to hijacking.
The term libertarian in a metaphysical or philosophical sense was first used by late-Enlightenment free-thinkers to refer to those who believed in free will, as opposed to determinism.[22] The first recorded use was in 1789 by William Belsham in a discussion of free will and in opposition to "necessitarian" (or determinist) views.[23][24]
The use of the word "libertarian" to describe a set of political positions can be tracked to the French cognate, libertaire, which was coined in 1857 by French anarchist Joseph Déjacque who used the term to distinguish his libertarian communist approach from the mutualism advocated by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.[25] Hence libertarian has been used by some as a synonym for left anarchism since the 1890s.[26] The term libertarianism is commonly considered to be a synonym of anarchism in countries other than the US.[13] Albert Jay Nock and H. L. Mencken were the first prominent figures in the US to call themselves "libertarians," which they used to signify their allegiance to individualism and limited government, feeling that Franklin D. Roosevelt had co-opted the word "liberal" for his New Deal policies, which they opposed.[27]
Agreed! And not to get too far off topic, but there are many in the original european libertarian camp who view the American strain as one that is fraught with internal contradictions and inconsistencies....many of which Moda has drawn attention to.Pointedstick wrote: Regardless of who hijacked whose label, can we at least agree that:
1. Libertarianism in the context of American politics is NOT a European-style left-anarchist ideology
2. Chomsky, as a European-style left-anarchist, is NOT a modern American libertarian
Mr. Doodle,doodle wrote:Not trying to sully the woman, but sounds like talking points from any Fox News evening broadcast. I would also prefer leaders to stop using the term "islam" next to terrorism. It fans flames that could lead to cultural warfare. These terrorists by killing women and children are acting outside of the tenets of Islam and therefore should not be associated with the overwhelmingly peaceful majority that comprises this faith. If I call myself a Christian yet I violate the teachings of the Bible in every way, would you still title me a Christian?Bob wrote: About 11-12 years ago, Mrs. Thatcher spoke to all the Officers and Sr NCOs at Fort Bliss. I arrived about two minutes before she was to start speaking. I only saw one available seat - in the front row directly in front of the podium. I assumed it was reserved for a General Officer but slowly made my way to the front. It was not reserved so I saw directly in front, less than 10 feet from Mrs Thatcher as she gave her remarks. She spoke about the dangers of the coming century, the EMP threat posed by rogue states and the of course, the upcoming dangers of Islamic terrorism (this was prior to 9 /11). She was was in her mid-70s at that time but still 'sharp as a tack.' I feel fortunate that I had to opportunity to hear her speak in person. May God rest her soul.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... r-thatcherdoodle wrote: By the way, Chomsky claims that gov expenditure to GNP rose under Thatcher. Anyone care to verify that? If that is the case which Thatcher are we talking about? The real one, or the myth?
Not to get even further off topic, but care to expound a bit on the monarchist part?Ad Orientem wrote: Just for the record, while there is much that I admire about her and her record, there is also much that I disagree with. My own politics are virtually a definition for cognitive dissonance... being a divine right monarchist with classical liberal sympathies.
That's sort of what I was thinking as well.doodle wrote: Back to Thatcher, as Chomsky pointed out in the video Thatcher was a statist just like Reagan with a penchant for lavishing the military and wealthy elite instead of the lower classes. I would argue that much of her success was a consequence of the opportune time in which she came to office that was coincidentally coinciding with a huge new energy discovery.