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What is the Standard Deviation of the PP?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:32 am
by Xtal
Hi all,
I've been obsessing over Firecalc
http://firecalc.com/ -- You can plug in all kinds of numbers, and it tells you the odds of your retirement stash going to 0.
Anyway, there's a tab where you can plug in your own investment strategy. One of the options is:
A portfolio with random performance, with a mean total portfolio return of __% and variability (standard deviation) of __%. Assume an inflation rate of __%.
I can find good numbers for the mean return and for inflation, but what number would you plug in for the standard deviation?
Thanks.
Re: What is the Standard Deviation of the PP?
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:00 pm
by Xtal
Anyone? Bueller? I tried searching online but found several different numbers.
Re: What is the Standard Deviation of the PP?
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:54 pm
by MachineGhost
1975-2012: 8.85% CAGR, 7.81% SD, 3.9933% CPI.
Re: What is the Standard Deviation of the PP?
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:40 pm
by Xtal
Thanks MachineGhost!
Re: What is the Standard Deviation of the PP?
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:44 am
by Tyler
I've also been obsessed with Firecalc. Rediscovered this thread last night and had a thought.
If we look at the real returns (after inflation), the performance from 1975-2012 is 4.76% CAGR, 6.84% SD. While that reflects the same overall 4% inflation rate in the CAGR that MachineGhost references, the SD is a little lower. I assume this is because PP performance is certainly not random relative to inflation -- the gold responds quite strongly. As a result, the other thing I find fascinating is that the real returns are quite consistent across a variety of timeframes:
CAGR since 1975 is 8.81 nominal, 4.76 real
CAGR since 1990 is 7.56 nominal, 5.03 real
So here's the thing -- if you use the PP
real return numbers in Firecalc and set inflation to zero accordingly, not only do I think that reflects performance more accurately, but also it appears to improve results slightly. (Note that Firecalc can give vastly different results run-to-run with the random number generator, so run it several times to see the range).
Unless, of course, I'm doing it all wrong.
TL;DR : Try the PP real returns as I think they're more appropriate for the tool. 4.76% CAGR, 6.84% SD, 0% inflation
[Edited for clarity]
Re: What is the Standard Deviation of the PP?
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:50 pm
by Khisanth
But then doesn't that mean your spending is not tracking inflation in the FireCalc calculation?
EDIT: No, it doesn't. The Spending tab has an inflation tracking percentage adjustment separate from the Portfolio tab.