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Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:51 am
by Pointedstick
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

• Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
  • 120 specifically-named firearms
  • Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
  • Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
• Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
  • Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
  • Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
  • Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks”? and “bullet buttons”? to address attempts to “work around”? prior bans
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
• Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
  • Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
  • Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
  • Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
  • Background check of owner and any transferee;
  • Type and serial number of the firearm;
  • Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
  • Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
  • Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

My instant, inexpert analysis: this is DOA, due especially to the sections I bolded above. I doubt even the Democrats in the Senate will pass this, let alone the House Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if Reid (who has an NRA "A" rating) doesn't even give it a floor vote. The registration in particular is laughable since congress has already made registration illegal, and many state legislatures prohibit it too.

Summary: This is just rank, opportunistic political grandstanding by a known opponent of economic and personal liberty and is nothing to worry about.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:27 pm
by RuralEngineer
I certainly hope you're right.  The line in the sand is personal and unique to each individual.  This piece of legislation is near mine.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:37 pm
by Pointedstick
I hear ya RE. Thing is, as onerous as this law may seem, Feinstein is still too stupid to actually ban all semi-auto rifles. Unless they're mentioned by name, Mini-14s and SU-16s would be totally permissible, and if they are, it would be as easy as pie for anyone to design a semi-auto rifle with an unscary wooden stock without a pistol grip. As annoying as it would be to have to jump through hoops again, this law would in no way infringe on anyone's ability to acquire some sort of semi-automatic rifle, and as we know, every semi-auto rifle is about as effective as any other one irrespective of whether any of them have folding stocks or pistol grips.

That's all if this law had a prayer of a chance of passing, which it doesn't. Take it from me as a CA citizen; Feinstein is dumb. This law is just an anti-gun wish list. It's totally DOA.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:48 pm
by RuralEngineer
Pointedstick wrote: I hear ya RE. Thing is, as onerous as this law may seem, Feinstein is still too stupid to actually ban all semi-auto rifles. Unless they're mentioned by name, Mini-14s and SU-16s would be totally permissible, and if they are, it would be as easy as pie for anyone to design a semi-auto rifle with an unscary wooden stock without a pistol grip. As annoying as it would be to have to jump through hoops again, this law would in no way infringe on anyone's ability to acquire some sort of semi-automatic rifle, and as we know, every semi-auto rifle is about as effective as any other one irrespective of whether any of them have folding stocks or pistol grips.

That's all if this law had a prayer of a chance of passing, which it doesn't. Take it from me as a CA citizen; Feinstein is dumb. This law is just an anti-gun wish list. It's totally DOA.
I've not read any more than you've posted, but wouldn't your exceptions be covered under the "removable magazine" provision?

If she bans anything with a removable magazine, unless specifically exempted, that is pretty much it for modern semi-automatic rifles.  It puts us back 70 years.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:54 pm
by Pointedstick
Nope, according to what Feinstein posted, if it has a detachable magazine, it has to have one "military characteristic:"
Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of  […] Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
It's a lot like CA's AWB in that way, but I got around it by installing a bullet button on my AR-15, thereby making it technically lack a detachable magazine. She tried to account for that by banning bullet buttons, but I can still work around it by removing the bullet button, replacing the adjustable stock with a fixed stock, and replacing the pistol grip with one of those ugly Hammerhead grips that technically don't count as a pistol grip because they don't "protrude conspicuously beneath the rifle's action".

Or I could just trade it for a SU-16 or a Mini-14.

Or I could stop worrying about it because it doesn't have a prayer of a chance of passing. If it truly banned all firearms that can accept detachable magazines, it would have even less of a prayer of a chance of passing.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:01 pm
by RuralEngineer
Don't you think it likely, assuming such a bill did pass, that the first shooting involving a semi-automatic weapon that circumvented the law would drive an update?  A Mini-14 is every bit as deadly as an AR-15.  They're just less popular because they're not "cool" and they resemble a military weapon from 60 years ago.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:39 pm
by Pointedstick
RuralEngineer wrote: Don't you think it likely, assuming such a bill did pass, that the first shooting involving a semi-automatic weapon that circumvented the law would drive an update?  A Mini-14 is every bit as deadly as an AR-15.  They're just less popular because they're not "cool" and they resemble a military weapon from 60 years ago.
Quite possibly, but just like this one, I wouldn't worry about it passing as long as Republicans control even a single house of Congress. Even if not, there are a lot of semi-automatic rifles out there. All their owners aren't just going to roll over and die.

Gun owners are the toughest people I've ever seen when threatened by legislation. We shouldn't underestimate or opponents, but we also shouldn't overestimate them. The only thing they have right now is outrage and fear that will fade. They still lack many important things typically necessary to get your agenda signed into law, such as money, grassroots support, both houses of congress, or a friendly majority leader in the house of Congress they may prevail in.

I wouldn't worry too much about anything passing Congress, It's executive orders and regulatory changes we have to worry about.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:24 pm
by TripleB
RuralEngineer wrote: Don't you think it likely, assuming such a bill did pass, that the first shooting involving a semi-automatic weapon that circumvented the law would drive an update?  A Mini-14 is every bit as deadly as an AR-15.  They're just less popular because they're not "cool" and they resemble a military weapon from 60 years ago.
You're assuming that this first-shooting post-ban will use an actual "legal" gun under the new ban versus using something illegal.

And you're assuming there will be any shootings after this. This legislation is supposed to stop shootings from happening  :o

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:31 am
by RuralEngineer
TripleB wrote:
RuralEngineer wrote: Don't you think it likely, assuming such a bill did pass, that the first shooting involving a semi-automatic weapon that circumvented the law would drive an update?  A Mini-14 is every bit as deadly as an AR-15.  They're just less popular because they're not "cool" and they resemble a military weapon from 60 years ago.
You're assuming that this first-shooting post-ban will use an actual "legal" gun under the new ban versus using something illegal.

And you're assuming there will be any shootings after this. This legislation is supposed to stop shootings from happening  :o
True, but once something's illegal, it's hard to make it MORE illegal.  It's like that Seinfeld pilot bit about "you can't over die, you can't over dry."

If you asked Feinstein whether she thought her bill would prevent all future shootings, I can guarantee even she wouldn't say yes.  Even the proponents of this legislation know that without confiscation they're just pissing into the wind.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:05 am
by MediumTex
I wonder if Feinstein ever watched The Rifleman when she was younger.

I think that she probably didn't, because if she did she would probably want to ban lever action rifles as well.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:57 am
by dualstow
MediumTex wrote: I wonder if Feinstein ever watched The Rifleman when she was younger.

I think that she probably didn't, because if she did she would probably want to ban lever action rifles as well.
Ugh, when I see Chuck Connors' face, all I can think of is 'Tourist Trap' (1979). Scared the bejeezus out of me when I was a kid.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:11 am
by WildAboutHarry
dualstow wrote:Ugh, when I see Chuck Connors' face, all I can think of is 'Tourist Trap' (1979). Scared the bejeezus out of me when I was a kid.
I don't know how I missed this one!

Unfortunately it does not appear to be Netflix-able.

Re: Feinstein's ban is here and DOA

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:36 am
by MachineGhost
WildAboutHarry wrote: I don't know how I missed this one!

Unfortunately it does not appear to be Netflix-able.
Check your local library system network.  They tend to have a lot of older, hard to find DVD's.