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Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:53 am
by Mountaineer
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:21 pm
by Benko
W.H. Petition Calls for Stripping Citizenship and Exile for Anyone Who Signs Petition to Secede
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh- ... 63282.html
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:27 pm
by Pointedstick
Calling it a "W.H. Petition" is deliberately misleading, and implies that this is Obama's idea. Every petition on change.org--including the silly secessionist ones--are "W.H. Petitions" submitted by the random people who create them.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:28 pm
by Mountaineer
We (the United States) do seem to be more divided than at any time in my memory. Maybe it is just because I have more time to pay attention to political theater than previously? Would it not be refreshing to have a government that is interested in pulling us all back together toward an inspiring vision of the future rather than enacting more "squashing" regulations on us? Right! When pigs fly .............
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:47 pm
by Pointedstick
How do you pull together people who fundamentally disagree? That's sort of the problem with representative forms of government the larger they get the the more diverse the voters become, IMHO.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:03 pm
by Ad Orientem
Great. That's just was the GOP needs when large numbers of people are already conflating the term "conservative" with wacky nut-job.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:06 pm
by moda0306
Pointedstick wrote:
How do you pull together people who fundamentally disagree? That's sort of the problem with representative forms of government the larger they get the the more diverse the voters become, IMHO.
Yes. Thank God these states do such a better job in fairly negotiating the differences in opinion between their diverse set of voters than the feds.
Oh wait...
Totally sarcastic and dickish sounding, I know... I really just couldn't help make a quip.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:53 pm
by Pointedstick
I tend to think that most of the states do an equally bad job within their borders! Thankfully, at least there are 50 of them so I have some semblance of choice as to whose set of bad policies I want to be subject to. And because of the diversity of human opinions, your definition of bad policies might be my definition of good policies! That's why the states have such diverse tax rates, business laws, support for public wilderness areas, gun policies, immigration policies, subsidies for higher education, you name it.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:30 pm
by Tortoise
These current secession rumblings are clearly kind of silly, but I see them as just the tip of a very large iceberg.
As U.S. whites of European ancestry continue their trajectory toward becoming a minority, expect the secession issue to become larger and more heated. Although the mainstream media doesn't usually discuss our nation's growing division in racial terms, that's one of the biggest causal factors. As the U.S. has become less racially homogeneous over the past half-century or so, the nation has become increasingly divided both culturally and politically.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:25 pm
by RuralEngineer
When the angered masses march openly in the streets armed, I'll take them seriously. Until then they're just disgruntled individuals taking advantage of the convenient platform that is the internet...like me. We're as close to a state or states seceding as we have ever been in the last 100 years. Which is to say, not very close at all.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:55 pm
by dualstow
I would like to extend an invitation to MT to visit me in the United States if this goes down. Just make sure you have permission from President Perry*, and get a passport!
*Ok, Perry has pooh-poohed the secession talk recently.
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:34 pm
by Ad Orientem
The Confederacy of Takers...
President Obama’s opponents have unwittingly come up with a brilliant plan to avoid the “fiscal cliff.”? They want to secede from the union.
If Obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation’s finances, he’d let them.
The White House, in one of those astro-turf efforts that make people feel warm about small-d democracy, launched a “We the People”? program on its Web site last year, allowing Americans to petition their government for a redress of grievances. Any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days is promised a response (though not necessarily a favorable one) from the Obama administration.
And so a large number of patriotic Americans, mostly from states won by Mitt Romney last week, have petitioned the White House to let them secede. They should be careful about what they wish for. It would be excellent financial news for those of us left behind if Obama were to grant a number of the rebel states their wish “to withdraw from the United States and create [their] own NEW government”? (the petitions emphasize “new”? by capitalizing it).
Red states receive, on average, far more from the federal government in expenditures than they pay in taxes. The balance is the opposite in blue states. The secession petitions, therefore, give the opportunity to create what would be, in a fiscal sense, a far more perfect union.
Read the rest here...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:36 pm
by WiseOne
Interestingly, New York and New Jersey are on the list of states petitioning for secession.
I admit having thought for years that dumping the deep South would be one of the healthiest fiscal maneuvers the rest of us could make. Eliminating the core of the religious extremists as well as a big sinkhole for federal tax dollars in one fell swoop! I wish fiscal conservatism didn't have to be tied together to the Scopes Monkey Trial gang.
Remember this website from 2004? Can't believe it's still up. Rated PG-13 for language.
http://www.fuckthesouth.com/
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:02 pm
by dualstow
Re: Shades of South Carolina - 1861
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:04 pm
by Gumby
Yeah. Seriously,
let them secede.