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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:02 am
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Oh I know that! Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were!Clive wrote: I wasn't criticising the 100%/-50% statement Craig, rather just highlighting how as an overall average the best asset more than compensated for the worse asset on average.
Thanks for that, Clive. I find this information very encouraging and easy to understand.Clive wrote: In Fail Safe Investing Harry said During a bull market, for example, stocks, bonds, or gold might go up 100% or 200% — or even more. But in a bear market a losing investment drops between, say, 15% and 40%. Thus it’s usual for the winner to more than cancel out the losses of the poorer investments during any particular economic environment.
As a simple test I used real (after inflation) gains for each of stocks, silver and 1 year yield from 1875 and found that the best asset each year on average rose by 18.3% whilst the worse asset each year lost 8.3%. The middle asset of the three averaged 2.6%.
Silver near enough produced an overall 0% real return over the entire period, but clearly combining stocks with silver produced an overall positive bias effect (one asset rising 18%, another losing -8% is a +5% average for the two).
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Real % Gains 1875 to 2010 inclusive Stocks Silver 1 Yr T Best Worse Middle 10.6 4.6 10.7 10.7 4.6 10.6 -14.6 -6.5 4.5 4.5 -14.6 -6.5 12.6 7.8 20.7 20.7 7.8 12.6 26.0 1.1 15.2 26.0 1.1 15.2 27.6 -16.7 -16.4 27.6 -16.7 -16.4 31.9 3.3 10.8 31.9 3.3 10.8 -7.3 -6.9 -3.3 -3.3 -7.3 -6.9 5.4 -0.8 7.1 7.1 -0.8 5.4 2.5 8.6 13.0 13.0 2.5 8.6 -1.9 8.0 16.0 16.0 -1.9 8.0 31.8 -1.3 7.7 31.8 -1.3 7.7 11.5 -2.5 4.3 11.5 -2.5 4.3 -5.1 -8.3 1.3 1.3 -8.3 -5.1 7.6 1.0 9.6 9.6 1.0 7.6 11.6 7.2 9.4 11.6 7.2 9.4 -8.4 7.6 2.9 7.6 -8.4 2.9 24.5 -3.4 12.1 24.5 -3.4 12.1 -1.6 -19.9 -3.9 -1.6 -19.9 -3.9 -5.3 -3.1 21.8 21.8 -5.3 -3.1 7.4 -8.4 7.5 7.5 -8.4 7.4 3.5 8.6 1.6 8.6 1.6 3.5 5.9 0.9 8.6 8.6 0.9 5.9 17.0 -14.1 0.5 17.0 -14.1 0.5 27.3 0.8 2.1 27.3 0.8 2.1 -13.1 -17.4 -13.5 -13.1 -17.4 -13.5 23.2 10.4 7.0 23.2 7.0 10.4 16.9 -16.4 1.8 16.9 -16.4 1.8 -1.4 -22.4 -4.9 -1.4 -22.4 -4.9 -12.5 19.4 9.9 19.4 -12.5 9.9 28.5 7.0 2.0 28.5 2.0 7.0 21.0 7.0 4.2 21.0 4.2 7.0 -3.6 1.8 1.0 1.8 -3.6 1.0 -21.6 -18.5 8.4 8.4 -21.6 -18.5 34.8 -13.8 2.0 34.8 -13.8 2.0 5.5 -3.6 -7.0 5.5 -7.0 -3.6 3.4 11.3 12.0 12.0 3.4 11.3 4.5 1.6 5.0 5.0 1.6 4.5 -0.1 7.8 -2.9 7.8 -2.9 -0.1 -6.9 -10.8 3.6 3.6 -10.8 -6.9 -6.6 -14.9 3.6 3.6 -14.9 -6.6 27.5 8.6 0.7 27.5 0.7 8.6 -3.9 22.6 -8.9 22.6 -8.9 -3.9 -37.1 -1.1 -15.4 -1.1 -37.1 -15.4 -1.1 -4.5 -11.9 -1.1 -11.9 -4.5 2.3 14.1 -11.4 14.1 -11.4 2.3 -12.1 -49.4 8.9 8.9 -49.4 -12.1 20.2 12.3 18.5 20.2 12.3 18.5 29.5 -2.4 5.2 29.5 -2.4 5.2 2.2 -1.9 2.0 2.2 -1.9 2.0 26.0 6.5 4.3 26.0 4.3 6.5 21.8 -3.5 0.4 21.8 -3.5 0.4 13.6 -19.9 6.5 13.6 -19.9 6.5 37.7 9.3 5.4 37.7 5.4 9.3 47.8 0.1 5.8 47.8 0.1 5.8 -8.8 -15.4 6.0 6.0 -15.4 -8.8 -14.9 -25.4 11.2 11.2 -25.4 -14.9 -32.9 2.2 12.5 12.5 -32.9 2.2 1.2 -6.7 13.2 13.2 -6.7 1.2 52.5 69.7 -0.9 69.7 -0.9 52.5 -10.9 21.5 -2.0 21.5 -10.9 -2.0 52.2 5.9 -0.7 52.2 -0.7 5.9 30.9 -24.4 -1.4 30.9 -24.4 -1.4 -31.9 -4.2 0.2 0.2 -31.9 -4.2 16.4 -0.9 2.3 16.4 -0.9 2.3 4.1 -17.5 1.3 4.1 -17.5 1.3 -10.2 -2.0 -0.9 -0.9 -10.2 -2.0 -20.0 -10.5 -10.8 -10.5 -20.0 -10.8 12.0 20.0 -7.0 20.0 -7.0 12.0 20.5 -3.0 -2.3 20.5 -3.0 -2.3 16.9 -2.3 -1.6 16.9 -2.3 -1.6 36.2 55.8 -1.5 55.8 -1.5 36.2 -29.8 4.3 -17.4 4.3 -29.8 -17.4 -7.2 -24.2 -9.2 -7.2 -24.2 -9.2 8.6 -7.4 0.1 8.6 -7.4 0.1 19.4 6.8 3.7 19.4 3.7 6.8 26.3 1.1 -6.8 26.3 -6.8 1.1 16.4 5.7 -2.2 16.4 -2.2 5.7 13.7 -5.7 2.0 13.7 -5.7 2.0 1.7 1.3 1.5 1.7 1.3 1.5 46.6 0.7 2.5 46.6 0.7 2.5 28.2 5.7 1.4 28.2 1.4 5.7 3.9 -2.0 0.2 3.9 -2.0 0.2 -9.2 -5.4 0.2 0.2 -9.2 -5.4 38.1 -1.3 1.1 38.1 -1.3 1.1 6.6 0.6 2.7 6.6 0.6 2.7 4.6 -1.7 2.6 4.6 -1.7 2.6 18.4 12.3 2.2 18.4 2.2 12.3 -4.1 14.7 2.1 14.7 -4.1 2.1 19.4 6.2 1.9 19.4 1.9 6.2 14.9 -1.0 3.1 14.9 -1.0 3.1 9.6 -1.9 2.5 9.6 -1.9 2.5 -9.9 -3.5 2.0 2.0 -9.9 -3.5 12.4 55.7 1.9 55.7 1.9 12.4 6.2 -9.3 1.8 6.2 -9.3 1.8 -14.6 -13.9 1.9 1.9 -14.6 -13.9 1.7 -14.8 3.8 3.8 -14.8 1.7 10.5 -16.2 2.4 10.5 -16.2 2.4 14.0 5.5 1.0 14.0 1.0 5.5 -25.4 42.4 -1.5 42.4 -25.4 -1.5 -32.6 71.7 -0.8 71.7 -32.6 -0.8 31.8 -12.0 0.5 31.8 -12.0 0.5 6.1 -6.9 0.5 6.1 -6.9 0.5 -15.4 -0.4 -1.6 -0.4 -15.4 -1.6 6.8 7.7 -1.5 7.7 -1.5 6.8 2.9 90.2 -3.0 90.2 -3.0 2.9 13.7 77.8 -0.5 77.8 -0.5 13.7 -15.2 -58.4 9.2 9.2 -58.4 -15.2 25.2 -28.2 10.9 25.2 -28.2 10.9 16.1 40.1 5.2 40.1 5.2 16.1 4.1 -32.3 7.6 7.6 -32.3 4.1 22.0 -28.6 4.5 22.0 -28.6 4.5 29.6 -12.3 5.9 29.6 -12.3 5.9 -6.0 24.3 2.2 24.3 -6.0 2.2 13.2 -11.6 3.0 13.2 -11.6 3.0 17.8 -21.0 4.1 17.8 -21.0 4.1 -6.3 -17.8 2.8 2.8 -17.8 -6.3 29.0 -18.6 4.3 29.0 -18.6 4.3 4.3 -6.0 0.7 4.3 -6.0 0.7 9.0 6.8 0.9 9.0 0.9 6.8 -1.7 19.7 1.5 19.7 -1.7 1.5 32.3 -4.4 3.7 32.3 -4.4 3.7 24.1 -3.0 2.6 24.1 -3.0 2.6 26.2 -7.4 4.2 26.2 -7.4 4.2 29.6 11.4 4.0 29.6 4.0 11.4 12.8 -8.5 2.6 12.8 -8.5 2.6 -9.2 -8.8 2.9 2.9 -9.2 -8.8 -14.3 -12.9 3.5 3.5 -14.3 -12.9 -22.6 2.6 -0.7 2.6 -22.6 -0.7 20.6 4.2 -0.7 20.6 -0.7 4.2 9.8 33.5 -1.5 33.5 -1.5 9.8 3.1 5.8 -0.6 5.8 -0.6 3.1 12.1 55.9 3.2 55.9 3.2 12.1 2.1 11.6 1.0 11.6 1.0 2.1 -38.7 12.0 3.4 12.0 -38.7 3.4 26.5 45.1 -1.6 45.1 -1.6 26.5 12.2 80.9 -1.2 80.9 -1.2 12.2 Average 18.3 -8.3 2.6