A Flight of Fancy: A completely physical PP?
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:54 pm
So many threads here are so analytical and serious, this one's a little bit silly.
My question is, is it possible to hold an entirely tangible PP?
- Actual gold
- Actual cash, or at least paper bonds or something
- Physical long bonds
- Physical stock certificates
Gold and cash seem doable enough. Gold is gold, and cash could be FRNs or EE bonds (I think you can still get paper EE bonds).
I don't think physical treasuries suitable for either cash or the bond slice exist any more though, it's my understanding that all treasuries are now electronically generated, auctioned, sold, etc. and that it's been this way for some time now. It's also my understanding some paper only treasuries, ironically held by the federal government, still exist. I recall seeing a news report about an office where they're maintaining them in massive 3 ring binders a few years ago at least.
The only time I've seen an actual stock certificate or a (non treasury) paper bond with actual coupons on it, in my entire life, was at school when a few defunct ones someone had saved were brought in to see an example of what they used to look like. I recall reading in some brokerage fee schedules, usually at the very back, that physical shares can be issued, but I also recall the cost seemed rather prohibitive.
I had wondered if a DRIP or DSPP or something similar couldn't net you physical shares for a reasonable fee.
I'm mostly just curious, I have no real desire to hoard actual cash, keep up with certificates, etc. it's just a headache. Nor am I condeming anyone who does, let's just be clear on that.
It's just that I know many people, and not just the elderly, do not trust electronic money so I'm curious if there are alternatives for these people. I admit the thought of such things does amuse me somewhat, because bonds, stocks, and cash are all abstract legal concepts to begin with, putting it on paper, even the fancy fiber we print reserve notes on, makes it no more "real".
I find the thought of a PP sitting in a safe deposit box whimsical and quaint, and I suppose of a certain utility for some. I've also heard the argument in the past that paper savings bonds can be reissued and electronic ones cannot but I don't know if this is true. Provisions like that are worth knowing about.
My question is, is it possible to hold an entirely tangible PP?
- Actual gold
- Actual cash, or at least paper bonds or something
- Physical long bonds
- Physical stock certificates
Gold and cash seem doable enough. Gold is gold, and cash could be FRNs or EE bonds (I think you can still get paper EE bonds).
I don't think physical treasuries suitable for either cash or the bond slice exist any more though, it's my understanding that all treasuries are now electronically generated, auctioned, sold, etc. and that it's been this way for some time now. It's also my understanding some paper only treasuries, ironically held by the federal government, still exist. I recall seeing a news report about an office where they're maintaining them in massive 3 ring binders a few years ago at least.
The only time I've seen an actual stock certificate or a (non treasury) paper bond with actual coupons on it, in my entire life, was at school when a few defunct ones someone had saved were brought in to see an example of what they used to look like. I recall reading in some brokerage fee schedules, usually at the very back, that physical shares can be issued, but I also recall the cost seemed rather prohibitive.
I had wondered if a DRIP or DSPP or something similar couldn't net you physical shares for a reasonable fee.
I'm mostly just curious, I have no real desire to hoard actual cash, keep up with certificates, etc. it's just a headache. Nor am I condeming anyone who does, let's just be clear on that.
It's just that I know many people, and not just the elderly, do not trust electronic money so I'm curious if there are alternatives for these people. I admit the thought of such things does amuse me somewhat, because bonds, stocks, and cash are all abstract legal concepts to begin with, putting it on paper, even the fancy fiber we print reserve notes on, makes it no more "real".
I find the thought of a PP sitting in a safe deposit box whimsical and quaint, and I suppose of a certain utility for some. I've also heard the argument in the past that paper savings bonds can be reissued and electronic ones cannot but I don't know if this is true. Provisions like that are worth knowing about.