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What happened today?

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:56 pm
by jackely
Today was a rare day when all 4 sectors of the HB PP showed slight gains.

But PRPFX was down 1.2 %

Anybody know why?

Whatever it is, it is causing me dislike this fund more and more.

Re: What happened today?

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:11 pm
by BRESLOW
The fund paid a dividend of $.72.  $.42 ordinary income and $.30 in capital gain.  Your account will show dividend in a day or two,or if you request, they will mail you a check. Relax and enjoy the ride.

Re: What happened today?

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:55 pm
by AdamA
jackh wrote: Whatever it is, it is causing me dislike this fund more and more.
What's not to like?

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Re: What happened today?

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:33 pm
by MachineGhost
The nearly 60% drop in 2008?  PRPFX by itself is no PP.  It is too overweighted to commodities.  I used to own it in 2006-2007 and sold it for bonds before we went into the recession.
Adam1226 wrote:
jackh wrote: Whatever it is, it is causing me dislike this fund more and more.
What's not to like?

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Re: What happened today?

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:50 pm
by AdamA
MachineGhost wrote: The nearly 60% drop in 2008?  
It dropped from like 38 to 29 in 2008 (briefly).  Definitely not 60%. 

Re: What happened today?

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:35 am
by MachineGhost
Maybe not 60%, but doesn't the chart show that it dropped from 110% to 60%?  That's a 50% loss, still pretty severe!
Adam1226 wrote:
MachineGhost wrote: The nearly 60% drop in 2008?  
It dropped from like 38 to 29 in 2008 (briefly).  Definitely not 60%. 


Re: What happened today?

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:57 am
by jackely
BRESLOW wrote: The fund paid a dividend of $.72.  $.42 ordinary income and $.30 in capital gain.  Your account will show dividend in a day or two,or if you request, they will mail you a check. Relax and enjoy the ride.
Thanks for the explanation. Sounds like taxable income and if so, an unexpected Christmas gift.

Re: What happened today?

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:29 am
by Ad Orientem
TennPaGa wrote:
Clive wrote: Yes that chart from Yahoo does give the illusion that at one time it was at 115% and later fell down to 60% making you somewhat deduce that it lost -55%, BUT the chart starts from a PRPFX price of around 18 and the 115% up implies that the price had risen 2.15 times (gain factor) to 2.15 x 18 = 38.7

Later it was only up 60% from that 18 start value = 1.6 gain factor x 18 = 28.8

The drawdown was therefore closer to something like $28.8 / $38.7 = 0.744 factor or around -25%

I've not used precise figures here, but they're close enough i.e. the actual MaxDD was -27.16%
To say the same thing a little differently...

Note that the starting y-axis value is 0%...  The chart is a plot of return on investment, not value.  So when return goes from 110% to 60%, value has gone from 210% to 160%, which is a drawdown of 24%. 
I have just realized with the cold certainty of a man staring into the abyss... that I am never ever going to get a Nobel Prize for Mathematics.

Re: What happened today?

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:26 am
by stone
There is no Nobel Prize for mathematics. Nobel's wife ran off with a mathematician so he expressly excluded maths :) .