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Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:06 pm
by yankees60
My town is about 6,000. The one next to me has about 17,000 and is the center of the county. The below writer has a column each Saturday in the town's newspaper. This column is completely SCARY!!!!

Vinny (end of my writing!)



https://greenfieldrecorder-ma.newsmemor ... 20Recorder


MY TURN

Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

As half of America is not sure if Trumpsters are here to wreck the nation or govern it, I urge all of us to try a new perspective on Donald Trump. In this new perspective, Trump is a revolutionary, as different from all of his predecessors as George Washington was from King George.

Once seen as a revolutionary, not simply as the 47th president to succeed the 46th, it makes better sense that his first impulse is to destroy and change and, only as an afterthought, to rebuild and govern. In this light, we are now witnessing the first phase of Trump’s revolution. Aside from a vague foreshadowing of Orwellian Big Brother, nobody knows, not even Trump himself, exactly what kind of America would emerge from Trump’s political wreckage.

Whatever our future may be, it won’t be a return to liberal democracy. As a revolutionary ­ like the revolutionary Founding Fathers who would not allow kings to come back ­ Trump would not allow Democrats’ liberalism to come back to America. In short, there will be no more elections, in 2026 or thereafter, to allow liberals sneaking back to power. As on FDR’s death after a 14-year reign, on Trump’s death, most Americans would hardly remember there were other presidents. It would’ve always been Trump as our president ­ one and only. Trump and Trumpsters are here to stay.

Thanks to our current mental and technological habits in America, governments and corporations can easily erase or implant memories of events or history as needed. He controls the nation’s law, military, Congress and news media (and our minds), and such perfectstorm conditions for Orwellian rule would never happen again. With one flourish of signature, Trump can abolish elections over liberals’ protests.

Trumpsters mean business and they mean to stay in power ­ indefinitely. In their full fury and zeal in remaking America, we see a sense of now-or-never desperation and finality, not subject to secondguessing. Their swords are dripping with their enemies’ blood and, with no retreat plans, they are blowing up all the bridges they cross.

In their fury and zeal, Trumpsters look like a new political species seen only in revolutionary times in world history, certainly not in America’s past. Eyes blazing, feverishly in search of the next guillotine executions, they recall the most dramatic of political revolutions: the beheading of Charles I in England, the thousands of severed heads in the French Reign of Terror, the murder of the czar’s family in Russia and, in our living

memory, the 100 men summarily executed the day Castro took power in Cuba.

Political transitions in America’s past were mostly festive and celebratory, and political power was always an even-break game for both Republican and Democratic players. But, just now, Trumpsters are too enamored with their own power to give liberal suckers an even break in which they could possibly risk losing.

It’s simply unthinkable that Trumpsters will give up their power prompted only by tradition or convention. No modern holders of power ever voluntarily gave up their powers, and Trumpsters are not going to hand America back to liberal democracy. There is no retreat for them, only going forward ­ even unto the destruction of everything. Awestruck by such savagery and difficulty of imagination, liberals are stunned like guileless children suddenly abandoned by their trusted adults.

Then there is the reminder from Hitler’s ghost. It is no secret that Trump counts Hitler as one of his learning resources and often recycles ideas and policies from him. One important page from Hitler’s book that has undoubtedly impressed upon Trumpsters is the fact that Nazis never allowed an election in Germany while Hitler was in power (1933-45).

Strategically, it would be utterly foolish for the incumbent power, whether Hitler or Trump, to even bother with electoral formalities to restore the nation to its previous “liberal” form ­ Hitler back to the Weimar Republic and Trump to the Biden era of liberal democracy where toilets and sports teams could be unisex.

Even surpassing the power that Hitler enjoyed, Trump’s power in America is now approaching divine in its absoluteness (no consequences for his action). Certainly, he has no reason to pay for the real estate he already purchased with 77 million votes.

Providentially, history is smiling on Trump: He is in the right place (consumption-corrupted America) at the right time (end of “woke-confused” liberalism). Liberal democracy, having filled the space between yesteryear’s feudal kings and tomorrow’s Orwellian Big Brothers, is an idea whose time has passed.

Liberals brought on their own demise by trying to combine maximum private freedom with equally maximum public responsibility ­ just too much “liberal” and not enough “democracy.”

They said, with help from capitalists, consume like children, but be responsible like adults. But in the cold reality of history, such a premise of society would merely create a lifestyle impossible to sustain, especially when assaulted by someone like Trump armed with skilled psychological warfare.

Now with virtually everybody unfulfilled and irritated, liberalism finally collapsed like a house of cards under the tremors of Trump’s emotive juggernaut ­ never to rise again. In the dustbin of history, liberalism is now joining feudalism to welcome an Orwellian tomorrow, our most likely next stage in American history, whose very first page hails Donald Trump as its founder.

To freely play with gender identities or be able to choose abortions, you need a society strongly blessed with either intelligent citizens (like Scandinavia) or unified social consciousness (like Japan). But in a society that allows people to demand only what their hearts desire (like America under consumer algorithm), liberal democracy cannot continue without making its citizens utterly childish and thereby destroying its national unity at its very foundation.

Jon Huer, columnist for the Recorder and retired professor, lives in Greenfield and writes for posterity.
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JON HUER

AS I SEE IT

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:13 pm
by flyingpylon
Hope this person gets the help they need.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 2:13 pm
by yankees60
flyingpylon wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:13 pm Hope this person gets the help they need.
My reaction is the opposite. Hope that the country gets the help it needs!

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:32 am
by seajay
Alienating allies, demising trust in NATO, subjugating the US to Russia ... interesting times. It would be nice if Trump washed more often rather than leaving all the evidence of his brown nosing Putin written all over his face (perhaps Putin insists, as a badge, that he does not wash)

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Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 8:09 am
by dualstow
flyingpylon wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:13 pm Hope this person gets the help they need.
😂

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:55 am
by ochotona
The Minnesota State Senator who filed a Bill defining TDS as an actual mental illness in Minnesota was arrested for soliciting sex from a minor. Good people!

https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-sen ... orn-arrest

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:23 am
by flyingpylon
ochotona wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:55 am The Minnesota State Senator who filed a Bill defining TDS as an actual mental illness in Minnesota was arrested for soliciting sex from a minor. Good people!

https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-sen ... orn-arrest
There are pervs in every segment of society and plenty of these stories to go around. Be careful out there!

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:23 am
by dualstow
ochotona wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:55 am The Minnesota State Senator who filed a Bill defining TDS as an actual mental illness in Minnesota was arrested for soliciting sex from a minor. Good people!

https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-sen ... orn-arrest
Illegal, and socially shameful but honestly not that strange (17, not 12).

That doesn’t change the fact that TDS is still a thing. Burning Teslas and charging stations for Pete’s sake.
A good friend of mine and his wife own Tesla cars. He’s an immigrant, they’re both fervently anti-Trump and voted for Bernie Sanders and then Biden, but they’re still potential victims of the psychotic left, most recently stirred up by that loopy gnome Tim Walz.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:58 am
by yankees60
dualstow wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:23 am
ochotona wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:55 am The Minnesota State Senator who filed a Bill defining TDS as an actual mental illness in Minnesota was arrested for soliciting sex from a minor. Good people!

https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-sen ... orn-arrest
Illegal, and socially shameful but honestly not that strange (17, not 12).

That doesn’t change the fact that TDS is still a thing. Burning Teslas and charging stations for Pete’s sake.
A good friend of mine and his wife own Tesla cars. He’s an immigrant, they’re both fervently anti-Trump and voted for Bernie Sanders and then Biden, but they’re still potential victims of the psychotic left, most recently stirred up by that loopy gnome Tim Walz.
I do not at all believe that TDS is a thing. It's a quite normal reaction to the most outrageous political figure in our country's 250 years as country with innumerable politicians during that time.

Yes, there is a psychotic left but, unfortunately, they are vastly outnumbered by their equals on the other side, as witnessed by them adding to the votes for Trump in 2024 so that he won.

It continues to astound me that any right-minded (right not equal to the political sense right) people voted for Trump.

His ideas are not all bad but his has such terrible characteristics as a person as witnessed by his behavior.

I would go on forever about him and all his deficiencies, but I'll just focus on one.

Strictly his 3 hours of inaction during the January 6th rioting. That was extreme dereliction of duty.

If anyone in the military had acted in that way they would have been court martialed and out of the military.

In any organization they'd immediately be removed from the organization.

Yet 77 million people believe that someone who exhibited such gross dereliction of duty should again be granted the powers of the most powerful person in the universe.

As I write this ... I'm listening to him on both MSNBC and C-Span.

He's captivating in an entertaining way. Except this is real life and his constant lies are just incredible that, again.
all his supporters accept.

The whole you cannot take what he says seriously. Someone else here eloquently asked all of you where do you accept that anywhere else in your life. I do not recall any answers.

I'm the leader / coach of two coed softball teams. Obviously, they are nothing in importance compared to being the president of this country. Yet I expect everything I say to my players to be taken quite seriously. How else can they trust me?

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:30 pm
by dualstow
Vinny wrote:I do not at all believe that TDS is a thing. It's a quite normal reaction to the most outrageous political figure in our country's 250 years as country with innumerable politicians during that time.
There are certainly Trump skeptics and healthy-minded critics. However, I think there are also TDS people and the existence of one does not preclude the existence of the other.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:51 pm
by yankees60
dualstow wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:30 pm
Vinny wrote:I do not at all believe that TDS is a thing. It's a quite normal reaction to the most outrageous political figure in our country's 250 years as country with innumerable politicians during that time.
There are certainly Trump skeptics and healthy-minded critics. However, I think there are also TDS people and the existence of one does not preclude the existence of the other.
Saying "TDS" is a convenient way of brushing aside every legitimate concern all express about Trump's abilities to be president.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:33 pm
by glennds
Just as fascinating as the phenomenon of TDS is the number of people who feel qualified to diagnose it.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:43 pm
by dualstow
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:51 pm Saying "TDS" is a convenient way of brushing aside every legitimate concern all express about Trump's abilities to be president.
Vinny, did you even read my post that you quoted?

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:04 pm
by coasting
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:58 am His ideas are not all bad but his has such terrible characteristics as a person as witnessed by his behavior.
His entire first term I had to hold my nose and think "I hate the way this guy conducts himself, but at least some of the policies are okay". I've tried to do the same in his second term, but just a few weeks in and his US foreign policy approach is so incredibly bad that I cannot maintain any support. Trump's foreign policy behavior is basically treasonous in my opinion.
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:58 am He's captivating in an entertaining way.
It's been difficult for me to understand why Trump captivates so many. I've never seen an episode of "The Apprentice", but apparently the show was entertaining enough to some audiences to air for several seasons. I guess you might say Donald Trump was a "moderately successful TV personality". You might also say Ronald Reagan was a "moderately successful film actor". Though I do regard Reagan a much better president than Trump. Reagan at least would understand Putin and all he represents is counter to the values of Western liberal democracies. The current US foreign policy must have Reagan spinning in his grave.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:44 pm
by yankees60
dualstow wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:43 pm
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:51 pm Saying "TDS" is a convenient way of brushing aside every legitimate concern all express about Trump's abilities to be president.
Vinny, did you even read my post that you quoted?
What leads you to think that I did not? How else could I have selectively quoted it?

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:57 pm
by yankees60
coasting wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:04 pm
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:58 am His ideas are not all bad but his has such terrible characteristics as a person as witnessed by his behavior.
His entire first term I had to hold my nose and think "I hate the way this guy conducts himself, but at least some of the policies are okay". I've tried to do the same in his second term, but just a few weeks in and his US foreign policy approach is so incredibly bad that I cannot maintain any support. Trump's foreign policy behavior is basically treasonous in my opinion.
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:58 am He's captivating in an entertaining way.
It's been difficult for me to understand why Trump captivates so many. I've never seen an episode of "The Apprentice", but apparently the show was entertaining enough to some audiences to air for several seasons. I guess you might say Donald Trump was a "moderately successful TV personality". You might also say Ronald Reagan was a "moderately successful film actor". Though I do regard Reagan a much better president than Trump. Reagan at least would understand Putin and all he represents is counter to the values of Western liberal democracies. The current US foreign policy must have Reagan spinning in his grave.
I've never seen the Apprentice. Only read about it.

So, when Trump appeared on the scene in 2015 in the famous elevator scene ... I had little knowledge of him. Only the bits and pieces I'd read about him here and there over the years.

Biden was absolutely terrible in person. Completely annoying in the way he spoke. Physically appeared like some comic book character with his bizarre looks. Totally unappealing when he spoke. I'm not going to add any "buts" here to say he redeemed himself by any other positive qualities that compensated for his repellant person in person.

Trump in contrast is compelling viewing.

I can NEVER turn off the TV when Trump is speaking.

Unlike Biden who kept himself from the public / reporters / everyone ... Trump takes on all.

Of course, I hardly agree with anything he has to say but he continues to astound with his brazen lies. It'd be one of the greatest comedy shows ever if it was a regular TV show. Unfortunately, it's not a show but our real life.

I said it at the time it happened but I find Trump so captivating that when he spoke at Mt. Rushmore four or five or six years ago ... Not only did I watch the whole thing the first time - warm up speaker, next warm up speaker, Trump, Grand Finale .. but I watched it all two more times in a row after the first time.

Because of how much I watch of C-Span, which shows every word live of Trump as opposed to the TV stations which show the beginning then leave so that they can commentate ... I fully believe that I've heard Trump speak more than 98% of the 77 million who voted for him.

I'd never vote for him. Why else would I watch / listen to him that much if he was not both captivating and entertaining?

He is NOT your typical politician speak. He answers. They may all be lies but they are such wild lies that you cannot believe he is going to continue to lie and lie and lie and lie. Yet he does!

Then you add in all the rest of his persona - attacks on everyone - and he is a spectacle completely unparalleled in the 250 years of our country.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:12 pm
by dualstow
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:44 pm
dualstow wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:43 pm
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:51 pm Saying "TDS" is a convenient way of brushing aside every legitimate concern all express about Trump's abilities to be president.
Vinny, did you even read my post that you quoted?
What leads you to think that I did not? How else could I have selectively quoted it?
Ok, moving forward, I would say there are *some* who use the charge of TDS to conveniently dismiss valid criticisms of Trump.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:07 pm
by yankees60
dualstow wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:12 pm
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:44 pm
dualstow wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:43 pm
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:51 pm Saying "TDS" is a convenient way of brushing aside every legitimate concern all express about Trump's abilities to be president.
Vinny, did you even read my post that you quoted?
What leads you to think that I did not? How else could I have selectively quoted it?
Ok, moving forward, I would say there are *some* who use the charge of TDS to conveniently dismiss valid criticisms of Trump.
Not unusual that, in the end, I agree with all you have written above!

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:02 pm
by yankees60
https://newrepublic.com/article/192407/ ... generation

Stuart Stevens
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March 7, 2025
SHOE FITS …
Remember the Greatest Generation? Today’s GOP Is the Worst Generation


Republican pols, I listened to you prattle on for years about fascism and fr
eedom. You were lying the whole time.

This is on you, my Republican friends. For years I listened to your passionate commitments to freedom and democracy. I made hundreds of commercials laced with the iconography of the robust patriotism of America as the last, best hope. I watched you tear up to Ronald Reagan demanding, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” I heard your Kiwanis club speeches, your high school commencement speeches, always proclaiming without a hint of doubt that America was the leader of the free world.





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I was there. I heard you. And you lied.

Not just any typical politician’s mendacity about cutting taxes or reducing the deficit. You lied about what it meant to be an American. You lied about being patriots, for no patriot would stand quietly by and allow America to become a Russian ally.

America executed the Rosenbergs for far less. Their crime was helping the Soviet Union acquire a nuclear weapon, which was an inevitability. You inherited the legacy of the Greatest Generation only to ally with a mass-murdering tyrant invading a European democracy. That was not inevitable. It was unthinkable.

I know you. I know your vanities, your need for approval, your desperate craving to be accepted by your tribe. Today you take comfort that almost all of you have remained silent in the Great Betrayal. This is the mentality of the mob. You know you are doing something morally grotesque, but you look around and convince yourself that it can’t be that bad if your peers are with you.

But it’s worse. Cowardice is contagious, just as is courage. Many of you have fathers or grandfathers who left their homes for Europe to fight and die in places they never knew existed and couldn’t pronounce. They did it because they knew that if a bully goes unchallenged, he will only become more vicious. They did it because the sight of women and children slaughtered by a genocidal dictator made them want to fight, not look away. They did it because they were Americans, and America is more than a place on the map with a flag. They did it because they were driven by a basic sense of decency and fairness that you buried deep within your focused-group souls because acknowledging it fills you with shame.

Like spoiled children, you have squandered this legacy, forgetting the blood and sacrifice that forged the greatest gift one generation can pass to another: freedom. I know what you are telling each other because it’s what you tell me when I engage in the self-flagellation of asking, “Why? Why are you doing this?” Your defense is that the American people voted for Trump, and while you don’t agree with the United States joining a reconfigured Warsaw Pact, it’s Trump’s decision, not yours.





But I doubt they can escape history’s judgment of their weakness. The victors write history, and while American political evil looks like a booming growth stock, betting against America has always proven foolhardy. In the meantime, let us not pretend that those who have failed this moment are still good men and women. They are about the business of committing one of the most despicable acts of public perfidy in modern history. Their lack of shame should only shame them more. Hold them accountable. If not all traitors, they are betrayers of a sacred trust. Do not forget, do not forgive.

Stuart Stevens
Stuart Stevens is a former Republican political consultant now working with the Lincoln Project.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:33 pm
by Mountaineer
With all due respect, do you really enjoy listening to this stuff? What are you going to do with the information? It appears to be just prattle to inflame the uneducated. I could be wrong.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:59 pm
by yankees60
Mountaineer wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:33 pm With all due respect, do you really enjoy listening to this stuff? What are you going to do with the information? It appears to be just prattle to inflame the uneducated. I could be wrong.
I certainly do not enjoy reading about today's unfortunate realities.

You can count me among your implied "uneducated"!

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:08 pm
by Mountaineer
yankees60 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:59 pm
Mountaineer wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:33 pm With all due respect, do you really enjoy listening to this stuff? What are you going to do with the information? It appears to be just prattle to inflame the uneducated. I could be wrong.
I certainly do not enjoy reading about today's unfortunate realities.

You can count me among your implied "uneducated"!
Vinny, my apologies. The uneducated comment was not meant for you. It is for those types who watch The View and get their thrills from the likes of Tim W. and his fellow fruitcakes - apologies to real fruitcakes. 😉

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:50 am
by seajay
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:57 pmTrump in contrast is compelling viewing. I can NEVER turn off the TV when Trump is speaking.
Albeit indirectly, Putin bought Trumps properties for twice the market rate and as such Trump is indebted. Putin also makes long speeches that many seem compelled to intensely watch.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:54 am
by yankees60
seajay wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:50 am
yankees60 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:57 pmTrump in contrast is compelling viewing. I can NEVER turn off the TV when Trump is speaking.
Albeit indirectly, Putin bought Trumps properties for twice the market rate and as such Trump is indebted. Putin also makes long speeches that many seem compelled to intensely watch.
I did twice watch the Tucker Carlson interview with him. Because at the time I though that they were informative.

However, I did not find Putin compelling viewing in any way as he seems quite typical American politician, droning on forever.

Trump would never be accused of that. He's an entertainer. No typical political talk from him. The constant lies are super wild. No matter how much you've seen him do it ... you cannot contain your continued amazement that he still lies non-stop. In ways that are easily proven that he just told a lie.

His behavior has become more and more comic book like. Sad commentary for someone who is our president.

Re: Yes America, Trump and Trumpism are here to stay

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:48 am
by seajay
yankees60 wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:54 amHis behavior has become more and more comic book like.
Cognitive decline with age more often is dismissed with others just looking at each other and raising their eyebrows. As is repeatedly restating inaccuracies or changing with the wind. As a head of anything - not good
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