Gyroscopic Investing

Does anyone know where I can find the specific etfs Tyler is using for modeling portfolios? I cant find it anymore.

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:20 pm Does anyone know where I can find the specific etfs Tyler is using for modeling portfolios? I cant find it anymore.

I'd ask him either here or directly.

Just sent @Tyler a DM.

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:20 pm Does anyone know where I can find the specific etfs Tyler is using for modeling portfolios? I cant find it anymore.

I don't see a DM, but luckily I stopped by here anyway.

I actually don't use individual ETFs. Instead, I use a composite history of index data (the same things that index funds track) and academic research (including some of my own calculations). That's how I'm able to get data back until 1970 when there were no ETFs around back then.

You can read more about that here: https://portfoliocharts.com/user-guide/data-sources/

Thanks I was thinking about the weird portfolio and the mechanics of the real estate portion of the investment. I have private real estate investments but they are a royal pain. I would much rather start diversifying into real estate in a more simple way.

If anyone has good suggestions for REITs, especially to try to replicate the weird portfolio numbers, throw them out in this thread please.

The REIT data on the site should most closely resemble the returns you'll see in funds like VNQ, SCHH, and IYR.

Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:11 pm The REIT data on the site should most closely resemble the returns you'll see in funds like VNQ, SCHH, and IYR.

Does VNQ parallel Vanguard's REIT index mutual fund? Substantially identical? Or, somewhat different?

ppnewbie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:24 pm If anyone has good suggestions for REITs, especially to try to replicate the weird portfolio numbers, throw them out in this thread please.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/474421 ... must_reads

3 REITs I'll Possibly Own Forever
Dec. 14, 2024 7:00 AM ETO, ADC, PLD95 Comments

yankees60 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:29 am

Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:11 pm The REIT data on the site should most closely resemble the returns you'll see in funds like VNQ, SCHH, and IYR.

Does VNQ parallel Vanguard's REIT index mutual fund? Substantially identical? Or, somewhat different?

They both say

Goal is to closely track the return of the MSCI US Investable Market Real Estate 25/50 Index.

but you can also tell because one links to another. VNQ: “Also available as an Admiral shares fund.”
VGSLX: “Also available as an ETF.”

dualstow wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:13 am

yankees60 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:29 am

Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:11 pm The REIT data on the site should most closely resemble the returns you'll see in funds like VNQ, SCHH, and IYR.

Does VNQ parallel Vanguard's REIT index mutual fund? Substantially identical? Or, somewhat different?

They both say

Goal is to closely track the return of the MSCI US Investable Market Real Estate 25/50 Index.

but you can also tell because one links to another. VNQ: “Also available as an Admiral shares fund.”
VGSLX: “Also available as an ETF.”

I had thought it was the case that as a result of Vanguard's now expired patent that all their EFTs / mutual funds were identical?

I don’t know anything about any patent, but they typically have funds in both classic mutual fund form and ETF form. But then, why did you ask “identically or substantially?” You already knew the answer.

I think the patent had something to do with tax efficiency in the ETF wrapper.

yankees60 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:29 am Does VNQ parallel Vanguard's REIT index mutual fund? Substantially identical? Or, somewhat different?

As Dualstow points out, they're two versions of the same fund. So the performance should be the same. But between the two, I'd personally go with the ETF version for the potential tax advantages that ppnewbie references.

dualstow wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:42 am I don’t know anything about any patent, but they typically have funds in both classic mutual fund form and ETF form. But then, why did you ask “identically or substantially?” You already knew the answer.

I was not certain. I've never owned an ETF so have no direct experience with them and, thus, don't pay that much attention to their details.

Tyler wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:57 am

yankees60 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:29 am Does VNQ parallel Vanguard's REIT index mutual fund? Substantially identical? Or, somewhat different?

As Dualstow points out, they're two versions of the same fund. So the performance should be the same. But between the two, I'd personally go with the ETF version for the potential tax advantages that ppnewbie references.

How about for the long-term investor, with mostly all the investment in retirement accounts? Less potential tax advantages?

yankees60 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:09 pm How about for the long-term investor, with mostly all the investment in retirement accounts? Less potential tax advantages?

The tax advantage with ETFs is all about how they are structured to avoid capital gains distributions. So I would imagine that retirement accounts negate that advantage because capital gains taxes are a moot point.