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First there was this:

https://oversight.house.gov/release/cov ... -new-memo/

Then they were grilling him today on CSPAN. Anyone else catch it?

They were right. The harm this man caused to this country will continue to ripple throughout time. The loss of trust in our institutions may never return.
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Jack Jones wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 3:39 pm First there was this:

https://oversight.house.gov/release/cov ... -new-memo/

Then they were grilling him today on CSPAN. Anyone else catch it?

They were right. The harm this man caused to this country will continue to ripple throughout time. The loss of trust in our institutions may never return.
I caught a lot of it. Several hours. This is what I wrote on Facebook in reaction to it:

"Listening to this Fauci hearing the Democrats sound like rational Adults while the Republicans sound like petulant Children!"
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I believe there’s an alternate dimension in which Fauci gave the opposite advice to that which he gave in this world, but he still receives the same number of daily death threats.
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PCR over 35 cycles false positive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esNQZXu17U8

"Asymptomatic spread" doesnt drive pandemics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIOzN03ZWXY

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dualstow wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:21 pm I believe there’s an alternate dimension in which Fauci gave the opposite advice to that which he gave in this world, but he still receives the same number of daily death threats.
I think you are giving him too much credit. It’s not that he was simply mistaken about what the best course of action was. He was knowingly deceiving the public.
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Jack, I don’t mean to give him too much credit since he did flip flop.
I just have a common sense/ gut feeling that he was not out to hurt anyone nor is he some greedy guy merely concerned with royalties. Did he make some colossal mistakes that led to widespread pain, suffering and death? It sure looks like it.
But I think he was doing what he thought was right at the time.

Contrast this with the Ross Albricht thread. You wrote that he did a lot to help people. Maybe, but he made a lot of money flouting the law, and very probably tried to hire someone to murder his enemies. I think he has done his time, but I also think that, unlike Fauci, he was in service of himself.
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dualstow wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:17 am But I think he was doing what he thought was right at the time.
The same could be said of many people that have done terrible things.
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dualstow wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:17 am Jack, I don’t mean to give him too much credit since he did flip flop.
I just have a common sense/ gut feeling that he was not out to hurt anyone nor is he some greedy guy merely concerned with royalties.
I think that's a reasonable starting point when evaluating people, and especially a scientist. However, we know more about this individual, so we have to update our priors, specifically about government scientists.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/hearing-wrap-up-dr-fauci-held-publicly-accountable-by-select-subcommittee/ wrote: During Dr. Fauci’s public hearing, he confirmed previous, concerning testimony and refused to take responsibility for the actions of his office. Members questioned Dr. Fauci about his facilitation and promotion of a singular COVID-19 narrative, his clearly misleading statements before Congress and the public, and his gross mismanagement of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). Dr. Fauci reaffirmed shocking testimony that the “six feet apart” social distancing recommendation that he promoted was arbitrary, not based on science, and “sort of just appeared.”

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Dr. Fauci maintained his misleading claim that the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China. In 2021, he told Sen. Rand Paul that “the NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.” During yesterday’s hearing, Dr. Fauci doubled down on his previous claim by stating “the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.” Notably, former Acting NIH Director Dr. Lawrence Tabak told the Select Subcommittee recently that the NIH did, in fact, fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan.
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Let’s say that he was not merely uninformed, but lying.
What do you think his motive was?
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dualstow wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:13 am Let’s say that he was not merely uninformed, but lying.
What do you think his motive was?
Covering his ass.
Rep. Rich McCormick (R-Ga.), M.D., held Dr. Fauci accountable for promoting unscientific vaccine mandates from his position of power at the White House. Contrary to what was promised, the COVID-19 vaccine did not stop the spread or transmission of the virus.
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On a personal note, although we lost some friends and relatives (not close) to covid, my wife and I fared fairly well because we were able to isolate ourselves without any hardships. If I had lost someone near and dear to me, or even experienced a son or daughter struggling with masking in schools, I’d be far more involved, and upset, I’m sure.
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dualstow wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:13 am Let’s say that he was not merely uninformed, but lying.
What do you think his motive was?
For me personally, it helped to stop thinking of Fauci as Dr Fauci and instead switch to Federal Bureaucrat Fauci.
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GT wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:10 am
dualstow wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:13 am Let’s say that he was not merely uninformed, but lying.
What do you think his motive was?
For me personally, it helped to stop thinking of Fauci as Dr Fauci and instead switch to Federal Bureaucrat Fauci.
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See, that’s all I was asking. I wanted to know his motive 😂
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dualstow wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:34 pm See, that’s all I was asking. I wanted to know his motive 😂
Exactly!!!
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https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... bout-covid

Column: Anatomy of a smear — Fauci faces the House GOP’s clown show about COVID


Here’s what we know about Dr. Anthony S. Fauci: As a staff member at the National Institutes of Health for 54 years and director of its National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for 38 years, Fauci was a key figure in the development of therapies for HIV and ensuring that funding was available for the search for a cure.

Under his leadership, NIAID invested billions of dollars in research that resulted in the development of mRNA technology, which in turn resulted in the development of COVID-19 vaccines in record time, saving millions of lives.

Under Fauci, NIAID also sponsored research into treatments for pandemic flu and the Ebola and Zika viruses. When COVID struck, he was tapped as a top advisor to then-President Trump — one of seven presidents he has advised during his career, from Reagan through Biden.

He’s revered in the communities of immunologists and virologists; even after Trump sidelined him because he was speaking truths about COVID that Trump didn’t like, he was a prominent spokesman for a scientific approach to the pandemic.

Here’s how he was depicted by Republicans during a hearing Monday of the GOP-dominated Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic: as the mastermind of “dogmatic” policies that resulted in school closings and business failures, of forced vaccinations, of “one of the most invasive regimes of domestic policy the U.S. has ever seen.”

As the financial sugar daddy of research overseas that created COVID. As the sponsor of policies that are “fundamentally un-American.” And as a liar and hypocrite.

None of those accusations, which were aired Monday by subcommittee Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio) and other Republican members, has the slightest relationship with truth.

They’re all elements of a campaign among Republicans and right-wingers aimed at painting Fauci, 83, who retired from NIAID in December 2022, as “a comic-book supervillain,” in the words of Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.).

Why are they doing this? One answer must be that conspiracists always need a target to attack in order to attract followers.


The fundamental theme of Monday’s hearing was that Fauci should be blamed, even pilloried, for doing the best anyone could in dealing with a virus that no one had seen before, with means of transmission that were not understood for months or more and therapies that took more than a year to figure out.

It’s Fauci’s burden that ignorant and irresponsible politicians and their followers have chosen to turn their gunsights on him, for reasons that remain unclear.

“There have been everything from harassments by emails, texts, letters, of myself, my wife, my three daughters,” he said. “There have been credible death threats leading to the arrests of two individuals, and ‘credible death threats’ means someone who clearly was on his way to kill me. It’s required my having protective services essentially all the time.”

Is this how we wish to treat our most devoted public servants — by smearing them to the point that promising scientists choose not to place themselves in the firing line by entering the public health field?
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I prefer a good grilled cheese than a grilled Fauci. Sourdough bread topped with mozzarella cheese and roasted red peppers. Far superior to a roasted Fauci.
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Mountaineer wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:59 pm I prefer a good grilled cheese than a grilled Fauci. Sourdough bread topped with mozzarella cheese and roasted red peppers. Far superior to a roasted Fauci.
Good response, Mr. Mountaineer!
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yankees60 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:48 am Why are they doing this? One answer must be that conspiracists always need a target to attack in order to attract followers.
::) How’s my attack going? Any followers attracted?

Also nice image about rednecks, strangely, the only group of people that the left openly attacks.

This seems to be a more reasonable take, that doesn’t resort to name calling:

https://public.substack.com/p/why-democ ... ve-science
As such, Fauci, his colleagues, and the Democrats were playing word games, redefining what they mean by gain-of-function research in ways that allowed them to deny responsibility.
While it may be true that Fauci did not “edit” the “Proximal Origin” paper, lead author Kristian Andersen said he “prompted” it, and the authors sent him a final draft for approval. In their private exchanges, the authors repeatedly refer to Collins and Fauci as the “Bethesda boys.” Their offices were located in Bethesda, Maryland.
Sums up my thoughts about the US lately:
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Unfortunately, John Prine died as an unwilling participant in this gain of function research.
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yankees60 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:48 am https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... bout-covid

Column: Anatomy of a smear — Fauci faces the House GOP’s clown show about COVID


Here’s what we know about Dr. Anthony S. Fauci: As a staff member at the National Institutes of Health for 54 years and director of its National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for 38 years, Fauci was a key figure in the development of therapies for HIV and ensuring that funding was available for the search for a cure.

Under his leadership, NIAID invested billions of dollars in research that resulted in the development of mRNA technology, which in turn resulted in the development of COVID-19 vaccines in record time, saving millions of lives.

Under Fauci, NIAID also sponsored research into treatments for pandemic flu and the Ebola and Zika viruses. When COVID struck, he was tapped as a top advisor to then-President Trump — one of seven presidents he has advised during his career, from Reagan through Biden.

He’s revered in the communities of immunologists and virologists; even after Trump sidelined him because he was speaking truths about COVID that Trump didn’t like, he was a prominent spokesman for a scientific approach to the pandemic.

Here’s how he was depicted by Republicans during a hearing Monday of the GOP-dominated Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic: as the mastermind of “dogmatic” policies that resulted in school closings and business failures, of forced vaccinations, of “one of the most invasive regimes of domestic policy the U.S. has ever seen.”

As the financial sugar daddy of research overseas that created COVID. As the sponsor of policies that are “fundamentally un-American.” And as a liar and hypocrite.

None of those accusations, which were aired Monday by subcommittee Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio) and other Republican members, has the slightest relationship with truth.

They’re all elements of a campaign among Republicans and right-wingers aimed at painting Fauci, 83, who retired from NIAID in December 2022, as “a comic-book supervillain,” in the words of Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.).

Why are they doing this? One answer must be that conspiracists always need a target to attack in order to attract followers.


The fundamental theme of Monday’s hearing was that Fauci should be blamed, even pilloried, for doing the best anyone could in dealing with a virus that no one had seen before, with means of transmission that were not understood for months or more and therapies that took more than a year to figure out.

It’s Fauci’s burden that ignorant and irresponsible politicians and their followers have chosen to turn their gunsights on him, for reasons that remain unclear.

“There have been everything from harassments by emails, texts, letters, of myself, my wife, my three daughters,” he said. “There have been credible death threats leading to the arrests of two individuals, and ‘credible death threats’ means someone who clearly was on his way to kill me. It’s required my having protective services essentially all the time.”

Is this how we wish to treat our most devoted public servants — by smearing them to the point that promising scientists choose not to place themselves in the firing line by entering the public health field?
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jalanlong wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 1:40 pm
yankees60 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:48 am https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... bout-covid

Column: Anatomy of a smear — Fauci faces the House GOP’s clown show about COVID


Here’s what we know about Dr. Anthony S. Fauci: As a staff member at the National Institutes of Health for 54 years and director of its National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for 38 years, Fauci was a key figure in the development of therapies for HIV and ensuring that funding was available for the search for a cure.

Under his leadership, NIAID invested billions of dollars in research that resulted in the development of mRNA technology, which in turn resulted in the development of COVID-19 vaccines in record time, saving millions of lives.

Under Fauci, NIAID also sponsored research into treatments for pandemic flu and the Ebola and Zika viruses. When COVID struck, he was tapped as a top advisor to then-President Trump — one of seven presidents he has advised during his career, from Reagan through Biden.

He’s revered in the communities of immunologists and virologists; even after Trump sidelined him because he was speaking truths about COVID that Trump didn’t like, he was a prominent spokesman for a scientific approach to the pandemic.

Here’s how he was depicted by Republicans during a hearing Monday of the GOP-dominated Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic: as the mastermind of “dogmatic” policies that resulted in school closings and business failures, of forced vaccinations, of “one of the most invasive regimes of domestic policy the U.S. has ever seen.”

As the financial sugar daddy of research overseas that created COVID. As the sponsor of policies that are “fundamentally un-American.” And as a liar and hypocrite.

None of those accusations, which were aired Monday by subcommittee Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio) and other Republican members, has the slightest relationship with truth.

They’re all elements of a campaign among Republicans and right-wingers aimed at painting Fauci, 83, who retired from NIAID in December 2022, as “a comic-book supervillain,” in the words of Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.).

Why are they doing this? One answer must be that conspiracists always need a target to attack in order to attract followers.


The fundamental theme of Monday’s hearing was that Fauci should be blamed, even pilloried, for doing the best anyone could in dealing with a virus that no one had seen before, with means of transmission that were not understood for months or more and therapies that took more than a year to figure out.

It’s Fauci’s burden that ignorant and irresponsible politicians and their followers have chosen to turn their gunsights on him, for reasons that remain unclear.

“There have been everything from harassments by emails, texts, letters, of myself, my wife, my three daughters,” he said. “There have been credible death threats leading to the arrests of two individuals, and ‘credible death threats’ means someone who clearly was on his way to kill me. It’s required my having protective services essentially all the time.”

Is this how we wish to treat our most devoted public servants — by smearing them to the point that promising scientists choose not to place themselves in the firing line by entering the public health field?
I only visit this forum once every 6 months or so these days. I see that Vinny is still Vinny.
For what reason(s) should I be changing?

Since your time in this forum who would you not say the same?

In other words ... who has changed their spots?
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https://brownstone.org/articles/the-70- ... the-world/

Interesting video. The way that she and Fauci look at each other, each smiling and nodding, acknowledging the deed had been done.
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Jack Jones wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:50 pm https://brownstone.org/articles/the-70- ... the-world/

Interesting video. The way that she and Fauci look at each other, each smiling and nodding, acknowledging the deed had been done.
This video is so surreal to me. Why will nobody take accountability of the decision to shut down everything? Trump won’t touch it; he either is unaware of what is going on, or he’s pretending not to know.

Fauci and Birx are like school children who are in on a secret together. But neither of them will take accountability. The direction to shut down the economy is right here on this piece of paper, in small print. Fauci reads it, but in a way that distances himself from it. Oh there’s an answer here from our overlords, let me just read this small print.

Where did the piece of paper come from? Whose decision was it if not these three?

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“‘You were right about everything, all along the way,’” Trump said to Atlas. “‘And you know what? You were also right about something else. Fauci wasn’t the biggest problem of all of them. It really wasn’t him. You were right about that.’ I found myself nodding as I held the phone in my hand,” Atlas says. “I knew exactly whom he was talking about.”
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