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Wellesley GB

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:11 pm
by ppnewbie
Interesting Combo. Add Wellesley instead of Cash or SCHO.
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Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:34 am
by Kevin K.
Unsurprising but all you're doing with this substitution is getting rid of cash - which is invaluable for rebalancing, living off of and a fair amount of inflation protection - with a slice of large-cap value stocks and intermediate corporate bonds, while also injecting an actively-managed fund subject to manager risk (W just changed managers, BTW).

Rather than adding a trivial amount of Wellesley only to screw up the elegant construction of the GB why not consider going all-in with the "Golden Wellesley"?:

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Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:48 am
by ppnewbie
After backtesting (alot) I could not really justify a sliver of gold into the Wellesley without just going all in on Wellesley. The gold did not improve the portfolio that much (could be wrong).

Also I get all the portfolio manager risk etc and the fact that it’s Large cap dividend paying stocks and corporate bonds. But it behaves so beautifully (at least up until now). Almost like a bank account paying 6ish percent (after taxes).

It would be extremely useful if Tyler ever added the Wellesley as an option to portfoliocharts.com.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:10 pm
by ppnewbie
Also exchanging Wellesley with cash in a HBPP performs beautifully.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:42 pm
by Don
Wellesley works best in a tax deferred account.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:03 pm
by ppnewbie
Don wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:42 pm Wellesley works best in a tax deferred account.
Thanks. I saw that the Tax Cost Ratio and the Expense Ratio basically shave off about 1.66 percent of the 7.5ish percent yearly returns. So basically in a taxable account its about 6 percent returns.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:44 pm
by dualstow
ppnewbie wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:10 pm Also exchanging Wellesley with cash in a HBPP performs beautifully.
There have been cash-free portfolio ideas here since at least 2010, but what about what Kevin said above? Cash does perform a specific function.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:08 pm
by ppnewbie
But what if viewed it as cash returning 6 percent per year. I get that there is added risk but cash in itself has risk.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:10 pm
by dualstow
ppnewbie wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:08 pm But what if viewed it as cash returning 6 percent per year.

O0 I’d say you were fibbing to yourself. It’s an instrument returning 6%, but cash, it ain’t.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:38 am
by yankees60
dualstow wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:10 pm
ppnewbie wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:08 pm
But what if viewed it as cash returning 6 percent per year.

O0 I’d say you were fibbing to yourself. It’s an instrument returning 6%, but cash, it ain’t.


Exactly!

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:44 am
by ppnewbie
It’s clear it’s not cash. It’s dividend paying large caps and bonds. But it’s managed so well. On a good day I lose 2.5 percent on my cash on a bad day 7.5 percent.

The two main reasons I can think of not using it are manager risk and stocks and bonds losing their negative correlations. But it has a 50 year track record.

Re: Wellesley GB

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:48 am
by ppnewbie
Maybe if I asked the question this way. Does replacing cash with Wellesley increase returns, reduce drawdowns, and decrease the ulcer index?

Not sure on this. I think I need to use the Simba spreadsheet to fully backtest.