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MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:11 am Not to get too off topic, but the same is going to happen with EVs. My Tesla burns no fossil fuels, but tires need to be replaced twice as often. How is that good for the environment? And then there's those pesky batteries....

Even more off topic... why do the tires on a Tesla need to be replaced so often?

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:48 pm

barrett wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:00 pm

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:11 am
Not to get too off topic, but the same is going to happen with EVs. My Tesla burns no fossil fuels, but tires need to be replaced twice as often. How is that good for the environment? And then there's those pesky batteries....

Even more off topic... why do the tires on a Tesla need to be replaced so often?

Strong torque, and by corollary, regenerative braking.
https://luxurycarsa2z.com/why-do-tesla- ... t-so-fast/

So what is then the cost per mile for a full set of Tesla tires? Are they all+weather tires or can you buy certain ones that give you better performance in the snow -- similar to my traditional studded snow tires?

No setting to change the off the line torque to save on battery and tires?

I am sure there are lots of people who buy electric not for 0 to 60 performance, but to help save the planet, and if you tell them they can get more miles on the battery and tire by accelerating slower, absolutely some would.

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:49 am I am sure there are lots of people who buy electric not for 0 to 60 performance, but to help save the planet, and if you tell them they can get more miles on the battery and tire by accelerating slower, absolutely some would.

Maybe those folks are buying Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts and BMW i3s instead of Teslas? I really don't know. Are all electric cars by definition monster machines? Surely there are plenty of people who like Corto says are just buying a car to get to work and back in a "green" way, and have no interest in a performance automobile.

Wait, isn't that the whole point of electric? Less greenhouse gases because the electricity comes from a cleaner, and possibly 100% clean source vs gas/oil?

I certainly understand your point. On the flip side both my daughters would fall into the accelerate slow save the planet side.

I am somewhere in between.

I would get one simply to not have to deal with gas and oil. My mower, snowblower and bike are all electric. Love them.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:11 am My Tesla burns no fossil fuels

Where does the electricity come from?

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:50 pm
Wait, isn't that the whole point of electric? Less greenhouse gases because the electricity comes from a cleaner, and possibly 100% clean source vs gas/oil?

I certainly understand your point. On the flip side both my daughters would fall into the accelerate slow save the planet side.

I am somewhere in between.

I would get one simply to not have to deal with gas and oil. My mower, snowblower and bike are all electric. Love them.

How long have you had the mower? How long does it work on one charge? How long does the battery take to charge? What is the battery's life? What does a replacement battery cost?

yankees60 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:05 pm

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:50 pm Wait, isn't that the whole point of electric? Less greenhouse gases because the electricity comes from a cleaner, and possibly 100% clean source vs gas/oil?

I certainly understand your point. On the flip side both my daughters would fall into the accelerate slow save the planet side.

I am somewhere in between.

I would get one simply to not have to deal with gas and oil. My mower, snowblower and bike are all electric. Love them.

How long have you had the mower? How long does it work on one charge? How long does the battery take to charge? What is the battery's life? What does a replacement battery cost?

Mower I’ve had for at least five years, and I can always finish the yard 1/4 acre about, with one charge, and almost never gives me a low battery warning, unless the grass is really tall from rains. This is at least 40 minutes of cutting. Takes less than 90 minutes to charge for sure. Ego is the brand.

I have yet to need to replace batteries, and only have experienced minimal capacity loss on them over at least five years. Two are 7.5Ah, two are 5Ah, 56V.

I think replacements run in the 300 to 400 range.

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:15 pm

yankees60 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:05 pm

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:50 pm
Wait, isn't that the whole point of electric? Less greenhouse gases because the electricity comes from a cleaner, and possibly 100% clean source vs gas/oil?

I certainly understand your point. On the flip side both my daughters would fall into the accelerate slow save the planet side.

I am somewhere in between.

I would get one simply to not have to deal with gas and oil. My mower, snowblower and bike are all electric. Love them.

How long have you had the mower? How long does it work on one charge? How long does the battery take to charge? What is the battery's life? What does a replacement battery cost?

Mower I’ve had for at least five years, and I can always finish the yard 1/4 acre about, with one charge, and almost never gives me a low battery warning, unless the grass is really tall from rains. This is at least 40 minutes of cutting. Takes less than 90 minutes to charge for sure. Ego is the brand.

I have yet to need to replace batteries, and only have experienced minimal capacity loss on them over at least five years. Two are 7.5Ah, two are 5Ah, 56V.

I think replacements run in the 300 to 400 range.

Thanks. I'm going to shortly be due for a new lawn mower. I last bought a new one in 1999. After that I bought used ones on Craigslist. I have a 0.40 acre lot. I'd not want to not be able to finish it all in one session and have a 90 minute wait to finish it.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:15 pm

Don wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:17 pm

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:11 am My Tesla burns no fossil fuels

Where does the electricity come from?

I didn't say no fossil fuels were burned. Just that my Tesla doesn't directly burn them.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:36 am
Pretty sure EVs are not going to save the planet. I guess we'll see.

Okay. As long as we're all aware that driving a Tesla doesn't mean that fossil fuels aren't being burned, because they are, albeit indirectly.

No animals were harmed when I ate that cheeseburger.

That was just a general statement based on what Don wrote.
I know you're aware that Tesla not burning fossil fuels is not the same as natural gas or oil being used to produce the electricity. And, I acknowledge that you mentioned Tesla's batteries and that EVs may very well not save the world. No dig intended.

I was thinking the same thing, Pug. It's like we are looking for excuses to take the opposite position on this forum for...everything!

For what it’s worth, Pug, I should have said “no dig intended” in my earlier post. I remember feeling that no one was listening to me last year when I posted about the bodyguard app, no matter how many times I insisted that i was not equating it with having a firearm. I proceeded to drive myself crazy and had to take a break.

The last thing I want to do is make other people feel like that are not being listened to. Apologies. It really wasn’t directed at you.

I apologize too.

As it happens, most of Pugchief’s kilowatts come from nuclear plants in northern Illinois.

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:11 pm As it happens, most of Pugchief’s kilowatts come from nuclear plants in northern Illinois.

Interesting! I’m of the belief (hope?) that EVs are a good thing because battery technology will improve, charging will become more efficient, and we will gradually increase production by green means such as solar and wind. Those come with their own problems and it is not inevitable that we will use them more than fossil fuels one day, but it is possible.

At the same time, I don’t think we should abandon the combustion engine while the energy grid remains so vulnerable. Green is nice. Vulnerable, not so nice.

Germany gave up nuclear after Fukushima and now they are paying the price.

I just saw the Netherlands are building two tractors to support their green agenda, which is great, imo.

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:19 am I just saw the Netherlands are building two tractors to support their green agenda, which is great, imo.

Is your sentence correct as written? Two tractors? . Or is your sentence in jest?

MangoMan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:05 am

dualstow wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:16 pm

Germany gave up nuclear after Fukushima and now they are paying the price.

What could go wrong placing energy dependency almost entirely on the whims of Putin?

Or on wind, windmills made somewhere other than your own courntry and dependent on rare earth materials mined elsewhere? Or on batteries requiring materials in relatively short supply and from mines that destroy the local land? Or on sunny days and dark nights that require those batteries, not to mention the disposal issues with used batteries and electronics?

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:02 am

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:19 am I just saw the Netherlands are building two tractors to support their green agenda, which is great, imo.

Is your sentence correct as written? Two tractors? . Or is your sentence in jest?

I interpreted that as two MODELS of tractor. Could be wrong.

Xan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:16 am

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:02 am

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:19 am I just saw the Netherlands are building two tractors to support their green agenda, which is great, imo.

Is your sentence correct as written? Two tractors? . Or is your sentence in jest?

I interpreted that as two MODELS of tractor. Could be wrong.

Shit...bleary eyed post in bed. Reactors! Nuclear reactors!

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Arti ... etherlands

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:58 am

Xan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:16 am

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:02 am

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:19 am I just saw the Netherlands are building two tractors to support their green agenda, which is great, imo.

Is your sentence correct as written? Two tractors? . Or is your sentence in jest?

I interpreted that as two MODELS of tractor. Could be wrong.

Shit...bleary eyed post in bed. Reactors! Nuclear reactors!

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Arti ... etherlands

lol! Tractors...

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:58 am

Xan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:16 am

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:02 am

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:19 am I just saw the Netherlands are building two tractors to support their green agenda, which is great, imo.

Is your sentence correct as written? Two tractors? . Or is your sentence in jest?

I interpreted that as two MODELS of tractor. Could be wrong.

Shit...bleary eyed post in bed. Reactors! Nuclear reactors!

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Arti ... etherlands

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You are forgiven!

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