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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:39 pm
by vnatale
Even in Texas!
Vinny
Texas Youth Baseball Team Requiring Kids to Get COVID Vaccine to Play in Tournament — But They’re Too Young to Even Qualify
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/0 ... n-qualify/
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:43 pm
by Xan
That's a Texas team that's been planning to travel to New York to play a game for a long time. It's the field New York coming up with the requirement.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:26 pm
by murphy_p_t
Have civil rights laws and medical privacy laws been rescinded?
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:56 am
by SomeDude
murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:26 pm
Have civil rights laws and medical privacy laws been rescinded?
We had to do something. Old, sick, and fat people were getting the flu, ostensibly at higher rates than in the past. There was no other way to slow the rampage of flu in the elderly, obese, and otherwise unhealthy segment of the population. The middle class had to be destroyed and all our God given rights violated. The science was clear on this Murph.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:52 pm
by vnatale
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/04/17/ ... _rss_brief
Passport required? As more people are vaccinated, the thorny issue of requiring and proving vaccination grows
by Kay Lazar
The Boston Globe / 2021-04-17 14:41
Countries such as Israel already offer a “vaccine passport” for residents � a smartpphone app or piece of paper � to prove they’re vaccinaated when they access gyms, restaurants, and other public accommodations. But the federal and Massachusetts governments have shown little appetite for tackling the passport issue, leaving it to private businesses to figure out how to create safe spaces without unfairly excluding anyone from post-pandemic life.
“Our members are very much in the camp of trying to encourage vaccination rather than hang the sword of Damocles over folks.” said Christopher Geehern, executive vice president of the Associated Industries of Massachusetts, the state’s largest business group.
Geehern said many companies are offering employees information and incentives, such as gift certificates or paid time off to get vaccinated. But many have yet to sort out the difficult balance between mandating and persuading.
“Some of our members . . . have heard from employees who say, ‘I am not going to go back to work if I will be sitting next to someone who is not going to be vaccinated,’ ” Geehern said.
Many retailers struggled financially the past year and are unlikely to mandate vaccinations for customers or employees, much less require proof of inoculation, out of fear of losing business, said Jon Hurst, president of the Retailers Association of Massachusetts.
“You don’t want to alienate the consumer,” he said
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:01 pm
by vnatale
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:06 am
by vnatale
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:21 am
by WiseOne
MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:26 am
3. I personally know several people who got the jab (not sure if it was both doses) and still caught Covid
Did they get sick with COVID or was it just a positive test?
Given that the mRNA vaccines cause you to make spike proteins and there is no data on how long they might linger, who the heck knows what a positive test means in a vaccinated person. Also, the vaccines won't prevent you from being infected with the virus. It'll just prevent the virus from making you clinically sick.
There's an increasingly large disconnect between #hospitalized patients with positive COVID 19 tests, and people hospitalized with clinical evidence of COVID infection. The latter are a small minority of those testing positive. The disconnect is even larger when you add in non-hospitalized positive tests....so what proportion of "COVID cases" are actually people who got sick? It won't be zero of course, but it could be as low as 10% is my guess.
Once again....the best way to end this pandemic is to stop testing. Stop it all. Test only those with clinical COVID symptoms severe enough to require treatment. That's generally how medical tests are supposed to be used. You're not ever supposed use them to make a diagnosis, only for confirmation and only in situations where the results would change treatment. It's crazy how the entire medical profession has suddenly lost sight of that.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:51 am
by pp4me
WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:21 am
Once again....the best way to end this pandemic is to stop testing. Stop it all.
That's what they finally did with H1N1. Doubt it will happen with COVID. Can you imagine how the MSM would scream if their fear porn was taken away?
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:59 pm
by Tortoise
Stopping all Covid testing would be an implicit admission by the medical and public health establishment that “zero Covid” is not an attainable goal — that Covid is now an endemic virus in the human population, just like the flu and the common cold are.
I don’t think the establishment is ready to openly admit that fact yet. Too many promises have been made now that we can “stop Covid” if we do the right things.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:27 pm
by vnatale
Tortoise wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:59 pm
Stopping all Covid testing would be an implicit admission by the medical and public health establishment that “zero Covid” is not an attainable goal — that Covid is now an endemic virus in the human population, just like the flu and the common cold are.
I don’t think the establishment is ready to openly admit that fact yet. Too many promises have been made now that we can “stop Covid” if we do the right things.
But, again.
Is "the establishment" openly all conspiring together to do so?
Or, is this an example of "mass hysteria", "groupthink", "anything else you want to cite"?
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:13 am
by SomeDude
I finally met a couple people who actually got sick from covid and lost time at work. Multiple people from a customer company were out last week because they were sick from Covid, and they are otherwise healthy and in their early 40s.
Ohhhh wait, they got sick from the "vaccines", not Covid.
I told them in the prior week it sounded like a bad idea to me.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:00 am
by murphy_p_t
Isn't that the proof that the vaccines are effective?
(Military grade propaganda)
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am
by SomeDude
pp4me wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:51 am
WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:21 am
Once again....the best way to end this pandemic is to stop testing. Stop it all.
That's what they finally did with H1N1. Doubt it will happen with COVID. Can you imagine how the MSM would scream if their fear porn was taken away?
Gotta stop wearing masks too. I was in some businesses over the weekend that didn't require masks.....Florida.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:22 am
by murphy_p_t
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:12 am
by Cortopassi
Hah Hah. That lady is nuts.
"It also demonstrates beyond any doubt that masks are nothing more than a dehumanizing luciferian religious submission garment. People wear them because they have embraced and converted to the OneWorld Covid religion/political system, and almost all consider the mask to be a talisman that by the power of magic protects them from seasonal respiratory viruses."
Let me tell you what I see. I see TV news people interviewing others -- without masks, more and more. 60 minutes. CBS Sunday morning. Local news.
I see here at my work, less and less mask wearing.
I see out in public, less and less mask wearing.
I see less and less concern on the infection rate.
You guys are soon going to have to latch onto whatever next is on the list on how "the man" is trying to control your life because things are going back to normal, even in democratic Illinois.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:10 pm
by pp4me
SomeDude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am
Gotta stop wearing masks too. I was in some businesses over the weekend that didn't require masks.....Florida.
Still seeing masks most places I go but at Lowes they had a table with hand sanitizer and a sign that said "Clearance Sale, while supplies last".
Thought that was an encouraging sign.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:24 pm
by murphy_p_t
"Hah Hah. That lady is nuts."
I presume you're referring to miss barnhardt.
Is she more, or less, crazy than the ones in the photos?
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:11 pm
by Cortopassi
murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:24 pm
"Hah Hah. That lady is nuts."
I presume you're referring to miss barnhardt.
Is she more, or less, crazy than the ones in the photos?
If the photos are real (you never know nowadays), the band director/music instructor/administration who made them play like that should be made fun of at length to point out the stupidity of what they were made to wear.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:56 pm
by vnatale
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:12 am
Hah Hah. That lady is nuts.
"It also demonstrates beyond any doubt that masks are nothing more than a dehumanizing luciferian religious submission garment. People wear them because they have embraced and converted to the OneWorld Covid religion/political system, and almost all consider the mask to be a talisman that by the power of magic protects them from seasonal respiratory viruses."
Let me tell you what I see. I see TV news people interviewing others -- without masks, more and more. 60 minutes. CBS Sunday morning. Local news.
I see here at my work, less and less mask wearing.
I see out in public,
less and less mask wearing.
I see less and less concern on the infection rate.
You guys are soon going to have to latch onto whatever next is on the list on how "the man" is trying to control your life because things are going back to normal, even in democratic Illinois.
I am the coach of our co-ed softball team this year.
Last Wednesday night was our first night of practice. We had seven men and seven women. Our league rules require us to where masks at all times except for during "mask breaks" when sufficiently distant from other players. I did not see anyone that night not wearing a mask.
Then, after the practice, I went to the grocery store for the first time in 2021. Store still mandated mask wearing to go into it and I did not see anyone not wearing a mask.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm
by jalanlong
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:12 am
Hah Hah. That lady is nuts.
"It also demonstrates beyond any doubt that masks are nothing more than a dehumanizing luciferian religious submission garment. People wear them because they have embraced and converted to the OneWorld Covid religion/political system, and almost all consider the mask to be a talisman that by the power of magic protects them from seasonal respiratory viruses."
Let me tell you what I see. I see TV news people interviewing others -- without masks, more and more. 60 minutes. CBS Sunday morning. Local news.
I see here at my work, less and less mask wearing.
I see out in public, less and less mask wearing.
I see less and less concern on the infection rate.
You guys are soon going to have to latch onto whatever next is on the list on how "the man" is trying to control your life because things are going back to normal, even in democratic Illinois.
I spent a decent amount of time this weekend running about here and there and these are my observations from the North Texas suburbs:
There are several local places which have either taken down their mask required sign completely or have changed it to "The City Recommends You Wear a Mask." In those places, I would say mask wearing was about 50/50. Interestingly my observations were that it broke down among gender lines. In the butcher shop, for example, there were about 10 customers evenly split between men and women. None of the men were wearing masks and all of the women were wearing one.
Places that are chains or owned by non-local companies pretty much still had the mask required signs up and everyone was adhering to their rule.
I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:37 pm
by Cortopassi
jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm
I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
And they aren't going to hurt anyone by doing so.
Who cares?
I can see some future situations where I actually probably would wear a mask, just because we've gotten used to it, and it could provide a benefit.
--Visiting a doctor's office or hospital
--On an airplane or train
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:40 pm
by Xan
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:37 pm
jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm
I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
And they aren't going to hurt anyone by doing so.
Who cares?
I can see some future situations where I actually probably would wear a mask, just because we've gotten used to it, and it could provide a benefit.
--Visiting a doctor's office or hospital
--On an airplane or train
It indicates some kind of mental disorder that bodes poorly for our ability to actually think and make decisions for ourselves.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:45 pm
by jalanlong
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:37 pm
jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm
I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
And they aren't going to hurt anyone by doing so.
Who cares?
I can see some future situations where I actually probably would wear a mask, just because we've gotten used to it, and it could provide a benefit.
--Visiting a doctor's office or hospital
--On an airplane or train
To me it indicates that they don't actually know why they are wearing a mask in the first place. Masks were initially indicated to be used whenever you are in close proximity to people and are not able to distance from them. To wear one alone in your car, while walking alone outdoors or sitting on your porch alone indicates that you are just doing what you have been told with no understanding of why. Personally I feel that is a dangerous trait to have among the citizens of your country.
It is similar in nature to this experiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kWygqR0L8
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:58 pm
by WiseOne
MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:29 pm
WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:21 am
MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:26 am
3. I personally know several people who got the jab (not sure if it was both doses) and still caught Covid
Did they get sick with COVID or was it just a positive test?
Sick. Although not severely. My GF's boss, who was vaccinated, got a mildish case when her husband brought it home from somewhere. I don't know all the details, so consider this like a game of 'telephone'. You're hearing it third hand.
OK. Vaccines aren't 100% effective after all. I asked because Pfizer (and the other manufacturers) used the correct definition of "case" in its clinical trial, unlike the newspapers & CDC and state/local governments who define a "case" as a positive test. Pfizer only tested vaccine study participants if they reported symptoms typical of COVID. So that's much closer to usual medical practice and it would presumably result in a far lower "case" rate among vaccinated individuals than would be observed in the wild, where overly zealous testing creates cases out of thin air.
What you really want out of the vaccine is to prevent people from ending up in the hospital with COVID. It would be so nice to hear about how effective the vaccines are at that. Supposedly it's near 100% with a single shot. Good enough reason to get one, but I'd say don't bother with the second unless you think that will cause issues later on. Like me...my employer has just announced they are making the vaccine mandatory, which I expected. I hope someone challenges them on it. It's thoroughly illegal.