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Chloroform or ether aren’t barbaric forms of execution. Nor are multiple bullets aimed accurately into the brain. From the perspective of the executed that is.
Ever see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:08 amChloroform or ether aren’t barbaric forms of execution. Nor are multiple bullets aimed accurately into the brain. From the perspective of the executed that is.
Indeed. But nothing really to lose your head over. On a more serious note, I continue to be amazed by those who are against capital punishment but endorse abortion, especially those who endorse it up to and shortly after birth. 🥲glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 amEver see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:08 amChloroform or ether aren’t barbaric forms of execution. Nor are multiple bullets aimed accurately into the brain. From the perspective of the executed that is.
In the wake a a botched lethal injection execution, he raised eyebrows by advocating the use of the guillotine. His comment was - it is proven 100% effective, instantaneous, inexpensive, efficient in all respects.
It was my interpretation that he was actually arguing against the death penalty in general. This is because he went on to say that if we as a society are going to advocate putting human beings to death, then stop trying to sanitize it by coming up with fallible methods like lethal injection, for what appears to be an attempt by all of us to attach a layer of civility to what is in reality a barbaric act.
Of course his clever way of making a point was later overshadowed when he was forced to retire after a slew of accusers came forward during the #me too movement with allegations of all manner of inappropriate conduct. Good times.
How about those that are pro capital punishment and anti-abortion. Same argument can be made in reverse. The logic holds true both directions.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:35 amIndeed. But nothing really to lose your head over. On a more serious note, I continue to be amazed by those who are against capital punishment but endorse abortion, especially those who endorse it up to and shortly after birth. 🥲glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 amEver see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:08 amChloroform or ether aren’t barbaric forms of execution. Nor are multiple bullets aimed accurately into the brain. From the perspective of the executed that is.
In the wake a a botched lethal injection execution, he raised eyebrows by advocating the use of the guillotine. His comment was - it is proven 100% effective, instantaneous, inexpensive, efficient in all respects.
It was my interpretation that he was actually arguing against the death penalty in general. This is because he went on to say that if we as a society are going to advocate putting human beings to death, then stop trying to sanitize it by coming up with fallible methods like lethal injection, for what appears to be an attempt by all of us to attach a layer of civility to what is in reality a barbaric act.
Of course his clever way of making a point was later overshadowed when he was forced to retire after a slew of accusers came forward during the #me too movement with allegations of all manner of inappropriate conduct. Good times.
Can not the opposite be stated? Be amazed by those opposed to abortion yet who support capital punishment. I admit the analogy is not quite apt.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:35 amIndeed. But nothing really to lose your head over. On a more serious note, I continue to be amazed by those who are against capital punishment but endorse abortion, especially those who endorse it up to and shortly after birth. 🥲glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 amEver see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:08 amChloroform or ether aren’t barbaric forms of execution. Nor are multiple bullets aimed accurately into the brain. From the perspective of the executed that is.
In the wake a a botched lethal injection execution, he raised eyebrows by advocating the use of the guillotine. His comment was - it is proven 100% effective, instantaneous, inexpensive, efficient in all respects.
It was my interpretation that he was actually arguing against the death penalty in general. This is because he went on to say that if we as a society are going to advocate putting human beings to death, then stop trying to sanitize it by coming up with fallible methods like lethal injection, for what appears to be an attempt by all of us to attach a layer of civility to what is in reality a barbaric act.
Of course his clever way of making a point was later overshadowed when he was forced to retire after a slew of accusers came forward during the #me too movement with allegations of all manner of inappropriate conduct. Good times.
Yes, I think the argument slices both ways.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:35 amIndeed. But nothing really to lose your head over. On a more serious note, I continue to be amazed by those who are against capital punishment but endorse abortion, especially those who endorse it up to and shortly after birth. 🥲glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 am
Ever see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?
In the wake a a botched lethal injection execution, he raised eyebrows by advocating the use of the guillotine. His comment was - it is proven 100% effective, instantaneous, inexpensive, efficient in all respects.
It was my interpretation that he was actually arguing against the death penalty in general. This is because he went on to say that if we as a society are going to advocate putting human beings to death, then stop trying to sanitize it by coming up with fallible methods like lethal injection, for what appears to be an attempt by all of us to attach a layer of civility to what is in reality a barbaric act.
Of course his clever way of making a point was later overshadowed when he was forced to retire after a slew of accusers came forward during the #me too movement with allegations of all manner of inappropriate conduct. Good times.
No, it doesn't. In the case of capital punishment, the person being killed has been found guilty of a crime that society has deemed worthy of death. By contrast, in the case of abortion, the unborn fetus being killed has not been found guilty of anything.
Agreed. Also consider who of the two cases had the opportunity to commit a crime, other than being conceived of course. Should we endorse killing the innocent (other than having original sin) as well as those who are guilty of actual sin? If yes, why?glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:18 pmYes, I think the argument slices both ways.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:35 amIndeed. But nothing really to lose your head over. On a more serious note, I continue to be amazed by those who are against capital punishment but endorse abortion, especially those who endorse it up to and shortly after birth. 🥲glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 am
Ever see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?
In the wake a a botched lethal injection execution, he raised eyebrows by advocating the use of the guillotine. His comment was - it is proven 100% effective, instantaneous, inexpensive, efficient in all respects.
It was my interpretation that he was actually arguing against the death penalty in general. This is because he went on to say that if we as a society are going to advocate putting human beings to death, then stop trying to sanitize it by coming up with fallible methods like lethal injection, for what appears to be an attempt by all of us to attach a layer of civility to what is in reality a barbaric act.
Of course his clever way of making a point was later overshadowed when he was forced to retire after a slew of accusers came forward during the #me too movement with allegations of all manner of inappropriate conduct. Good times.
It was only a joke.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:23 pmAgreed. Also consider who of the two cases had the opportunity to commit a crime, other than being conceived of course. Should we endorse killing the innocent (other than having original sin) as well as those who are guilty of actual sin? If yes, why?glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:18 pmYes, I think the argument slices both ways.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:35 amIndeed. But nothing really to lose your head over. On a more serious note, I continue to be amazed by those who are against capital punishment but endorse abortion, especially those who endorse it up to and shortly after birth. 🥲glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 am
Ever see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?
In the wake a a botched lethal injection execution, he raised eyebrows by advocating the use of the guillotine. His comment was - it is proven 100% effective, instantaneous, inexpensive, efficient in all respects.
It was my interpretation that he was actually arguing against the death penalty in general. This is because he went on to say that if we as a society are going to advocate putting human beings to death, then stop trying to sanitize it by coming up with fallible methods like lethal injection, for what appears to be an attempt by all of us to attach a layer of civility to what is in reality a barbaric act.
Of course his clever way of making a point was later overshadowed when he was forced to retire after a slew of accusers came forward during the #me too movement with allegations of all manner of inappropriate conduct. Good times.
I didn’t get it the first time! Now I can say, well done - however I must say I have never seen a guillotine that sliced on the way back up. But now that I consider further, I have not seen one slice on the way down either ... except in the movies. I say, let them eat cake.glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:33 pmIt was only a joke.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:23 pmAgreed. Also consider who of the two cases had the opportunity to commit a crime, other than being conceived of course. Should we endorse killing the innocent (other than having original sin) as well as those who are guilty of actual sin? If yes, why?glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:18 pmYes, I think the argument slices both ways.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:35 amIndeed. But nothing really to lose your head over. On a more serious note, I continue to be amazed by those who are against capital punishment but endorse abortion, especially those who endorse it up to and shortly after birth. 🥲glennds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 am
Ever see the 60 Minutes interview with (former) Federal 9th Circuit Chief Judge Alex Kozinski?
In the wake a a botched lethal injection execution, he raised eyebrows by advocating the use of the guillotine. His comment was - it is proven 100% effective, instantaneous, inexpensive, efficient in all respects.
It was my interpretation that he was actually arguing against the death penalty in general. This is because he went on to say that if we as a society are going to advocate putting human beings to death, then stop trying to sanitize it by coming up with fallible methods like lethal injection, for what appears to be an attempt by all of us to attach a layer of civility to what is in reality a barbaric act.
Of course his clever way of making a point was later overshadowed when he was forced to retire after a slew of accusers came forward during the #me too movement with allegations of all manner of inappropriate conduct. Good times.
Guillotine, slice both ways?
Get it? I need to work on my attempts at comedy.....
Right. But, since I can assume most Republicans that are against abortion are Christian... killing someone for any reason is the most anti-Christian things one can do, regardless of what they have done. So it does go both ways.
Fair enough. In Christianity, the subject of what kinds of justice should be dispensed by God instead of man is one that doesn't seem to have clear-cut answers.
Put your pet to sleep my ass! I wonder how often this happens, and the owners feel all happy that they are ending their pet's suffering.tomfoolery wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:31 pmI have a doctor friend who administered some meds to put a pet to sleep. He's a human doctor... who treats humans... not a veternarian. He did this with the idea the pet would go to sleep and die peacefully. He then left the dying pet with his family to go his shift at the hospital.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:18 pm I've never understood that putting your dog or cat to sleep is humane, but ending your own suffering human life is against the law mostly.
And it also makes me wonder, where we've seen these botched lethal injection executions -- does that happen a lot with dogs and cats and we just don't know, or can't tell, or prefer not to think about it? Otherwise would seem those drugs work better?
He came back 10 hours later to find his family in tears because not only was the pet not dead, it was gasping for breath and in obvious horrible pain.
Oops.
I had my beautiful white German Shepherd killed in front of me. The only time I've witnessed it.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:18 pm I've never understood that putting your dog or cat to sleep is humane, but ending your own suffering human life is against the law mostly.
And it also makes me wonder, where we've seen these botched lethal injection executions -- does that happen a lot with dogs and cats and we just don't know, or can't tell, or prefer not to think about it? Otherwise would seem those drugs work better?
I guess we shouldn't ask how you know this...Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:25 pm I highly approve of the guillotine.
But, if you really want inexpensive, painless, 100% effective, no mess, nothing detectable in the autopsy...
The way to go is to flood the room with nitrogen gas.
Your body cannot tell the difference between breathing 70% nitrogen and 25% oxygen and 5% miscellaneous gases versus breathing 100% nitrogen and no other gases.
You just quietly konk out without any feeling of suffocation, pain, smell or poison. Since you are breathing normally and there is no CO2 buildup, none of the sensors in your body recognize that you’re about to die. You just lose consciousness.
My father, a retired cancer doctor, told me a while back that if he ever gets terminal cancer, he plans to save the health care system a lot of money by just taking a bunch of Tylenol to kill himself. He said it's painless since you lose consciousness and then your liver just shuts down (followed rapidly by the rest of your organs).
From a first scan of the toxicity studies, it sounds like a slow, painful way to go.Tortoise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:01 pmMy father, a retired cancer doctor, told me a while back that if he ever gets terminal cancer, he plans to save the health care system a lot of money by just taking a bunch of Tylenol to kill himself. He said it's painless since you lose consciousness and then your liver just shuts down (followed rapidly by the rest of your organs).
Maybe he's full of shit about it being painless, but it's what he told me.
The clinical course of acetaminophen toxicity is divided into four stages.
- During the first stage (30 min to 24 hours), the patient may be asymptomatic or may have emesis.
- In the second stage (18 hours to 72 hours), there may be emesis plus right upper quadrant pain and hypotension.
- In the third stage (72 hours to 96 hours), liver dysfunction is significant with renal failure, coagulopathies, metabolic acidosis, and encephalopathy. Gastrointestinal (GI) symptoms reappear, and death is most common at this stage.
- The fourth stage (4 days to 3 weeks) is marked by recovery.
I did not know that. I approve. Any idea why isn't this used?Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:25 pm I highly approve of the guillotine.
But, if you really want inexpensive, painless, 100% effective, no mess, nothing detectable in the autopsy...
The way to go is to flood the room with nitrogen gas.
Your body cannot tell the difference between breathing 70% nitrogen and 25% oxygen and 5% miscellaneous gases versus breathing 100% nitrogen and no other gases.
You just quietly konk out without any feeling of suffocation, pain, smell or poison. Since you are breathing normally and there is no CO2 buildup, none of the sensors in your body recognize that you’re about to die. You just lose consciousness.
Well, shit...Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:59 pm From a first scan of the toxicity studies, it sounds like a slow, painful way to go.
Vomiting, kidney failure, 3 to 4 days to die. And worse... possible survival with massive organ damage.
Definitely barbarous compared to a bullet or a guillotine.
No money in it?Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:04 pm I did not know that. I approve. Any idea why isn't this used?
Agreed.Simonjester wrote: i am fond of something that is likely considered an outlandish idea in the modern world but it seems humane and has plenty of usage in human history as to not be judged as cruel or unusual.
Banishment.
fence off a few thousand acres/ square miles of survivable land, give the criminal a wagon filled with a couple years food, seed, tools, livestock, building materials, how to books, and wish them well.
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