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Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:16 pm
by Libertarian666
"Mazie Hirono Asks Amy Coney Barrett if She Is a Sexual Assailant"
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... assailant/

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:05 pm
by I Shrugged
As far as I can tell, Hirono has Peter-Principled.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:49 pm
by Libertarian666
I Shrugged wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:05 pm As far as I can tell, Hirono has Peter-Principled.
Yes, a long time ago.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:59 am
by dualstow
tomfoolery wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:06 am This is ridiculous. Everyone knows you can only sexually assault someone if you have a penis.
Libertarian666 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:49 pm
I Shrugged wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:05 pm As far as I can tell, Hirono has Peter-Principled.
Yes, a long time ago.

But for casual readers, that is not what the Peter Principle means. O0

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:15 pm
by GT
Libertarian666 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:16 pm "Mazie Hirono Asks Amy Coney Barrett if She Is a Sexual Assailant"
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... assailant/
She is covering for the fact she asked Kavanaugh the same questions - Now she can claim that she is just being consistent

"Hirono asked Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh the same two questions during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Hirono called for a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) into Kavanaugh at the time, saying the agency needed to determine whether Kavanaugh was a “very belligerent, aggressive drunk.”"

Well to really be consistent, Hirono would need to ask the FBI to investigate Amy's drinking for possible "very belligerent, aggressive drunk" side effects.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:50 pm
by Libertarian666
GT wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:15 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:16 pm "Mazie Hirono Asks Amy Coney Barrett if She Is a Sexual Assailant"
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... assailant/
She is covering for the fact she asked Kavanaugh the same questions - Now she can claim that she is just being consistent

"Hirono asked Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh the same two questions during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Hirono called for a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) into Kavanaugh at the time, saying the agency needed to determine whether Kavanaugh was a “very belligerent, aggressive drunk.”"

Well to really be consistent, Hirono would need to ask the FBI to investigate Amy's drinking for possible "very belligerent, aggressive drunk" side effects.
I don't think that's all that they (the Senate Democrats) have in mind.
I think they are scouring records of Barrett's students to find one to accuse her of improprieties.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:12 pm
by yankees60
dualstow wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:59 am
tomfoolery wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:06 am This is ridiculous. Everyone knows you can only sexually assault someone if you have a penis.
Libertarian666 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:49 pm
I Shrugged wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:05 pm As far as I can tell, Hirono has Peter-Principled.
Yes, a long time ago.

But for casual readers, that is not what the Peter Principle means. O0
I read the book in the 70s. It's definition is being promoted until you reach your level of incompetency (which was what I stated about myself while I was getting my masters degree. No way would I ever consider a PhD).

What does it mean to the "casual reader"?

Vinny

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:52 pm
by Kriegsspiel
I think dualstow meant to type the Pener Principle, which is what tomfoolery was referring to. AFAIK the Peter Principle means what you think it means.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:56 pm
by dualstow
yankees60 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:12 pm
dualstow wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:59 am
tomfoolery wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:06 am This is ridiculous. Everyone knows you can only sexually assault someone if you have a penis.
Libertarian666 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:49 pm
I Shrugged wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:05 pm As far as I can tell, Hirono has Peter-Principled.
Yes, a long time ago.

But for casual readers, that is not what the Peter Principle means. O0
I read the book in the 70s. It's definition is being promoted until you reach your level of incompetency (which was what I stated about myself while I was getting my masters degree. No way would I ever consider a PhD).

What does it mean to the "casual reader"?

Vinny
(Sigh). Vinny. Are you going to make me destroy the joke by deconstructing it? i found it funny, the convergence of the term “Peter Principle” and “if you have a penis.” upside down: O0

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:08 am
by pp4me
If these confirmation hearings are always going to be nothing more than an opportunity to throw as much dirt on the candidate before confirmation as possible and make political speeches then they should probably do away with them. All of the democrats are going to vote against confirmation any way so what is the point?

RBG, nominated by Clinton was confirmed 96-3. Breyer the following year 87-9. Anthony Kennedy, nominated by Reagan was 97-0.

I guess those days are gone forever.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:22 am
by yankees60
pp4me wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:08 am If these confirmation hearings are always going to be nothing more than an opportunity to throw as much dirt on the candidate before confirmation as possible and make political speeches then they should probably do away with them. All of the democrats are going to vote against confirmation any way so what is the point?

RBG, nominated by Clinton was confirmed 96-3. Breyer the following year 87-9. Anthony Kennedy, nominated by Reagan was 97-0.

I guess those days are gone forever.
The are gone FOREVER!!!

Vinny

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:31 am
by Libertarian666
pp4me wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:08 am If these confirmation hearings are always going to be nothing more than an opportunity to throw as much dirt on the candidate before confirmation as possible and make political speeches then they should probably do away with them. All of the democrats are going to vote against confirmation any way so what is the point?

RBG, nominated by Clinton was confirmed 96-3. Breyer the following year 87-9. Anthony Kennedy, nominated by Reagan was 97-0.

I guess those days are gone forever.
They are gone until and unless the Democrat party is reduced to rubble and rebuilt as an actual American political party.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:31 am
by Xan
Appointment of judges should be non-controversial. Every judge should be a textualist and originalist. Anything else should be an immediate disqualification.

It's amazing to me how one political party has gone whole hog for the sick, twisted RBG-style view of the law: that the law is something to be used and manipulated in order to achieve some desired outcome. Wrong.

I heard an interesting interview the other day ( https://issuesetc.org/2020/10/09/2832-r ... k-10-9-20/ ) where it was posited that it's Roe v Wade that basically is causing this. If Roe v Wade ends up being overturned, and the spectre of its overturn no longer haunts Supreme Court confirmations, then they may well get less rancorous.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:40 am
by Libertarian666
Xan wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:31 am Appointment of judges should be non-controversial. Every judge should be a textualist and originalist. Anything else should be an immediate disqualification.

It's amazing to me how one political party has gone whole hog for the sick, twisted RBG-style view of the law: that the law is something to be used and manipulated in order to achieve some desired outcome. Wrong.

I heard an interesting interview the other day ( https://issuesetc.org/2020/10/09/2832-r ... k-10-9-20/ ) where it was posited that it's Roe v Wade that basically is causing this. If Roe v Wade ends up being overturned, and the spectre of its overturn no longer haunts Supreme Court confirmations, then they may well get less rancorous.
The Democrat party wants policies that they can't enact legislatively because they are too unpopular with the populace.
So they have decided that the Supreme Court (and other courts too) should act as unelected super-legislatures that can enact these policies instead.
This is of course poisonous to the whole idea of "the rule of law", but is just another example of why I'm an anarcho-capitalist: it is impossible for the citizenry to make the government stay within its supposed boundaries.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm
by WiseOne
IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:27 pm
by yankees60
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
The representatives on both sides are, for the most part, not covering themselves in glory. Two examples. Harris thought she could outsmart her and trap her but at every turn she was one step ahead of Harris. And, Sasse went on and on and on with his speechifying, thereby eliciting zero information during that time from her. It caused me to reach the end of patience which resulting in me shouting out loud, "Shut Up!" even though I was all by myself!

Vinny

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:21 pm
by Mountaineer
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
With you on your assessment. 8)

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
by Libertarian666
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:27 pm
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
The representatives on both sides are, for the most part, not covering themselves in glory. Two examples. Harris thought she could outsmart her and trap her but at every turn she was one step ahead of Harris. And, Sasse went on and on and on with his speechifying, thereby eliciting zero information during that time from her. It caused me to reach the end of patience which resulting in me shouting out loud, "Shut Up!" even though I was all by myself!

Vinny
Harris isn't smart enough to realize how dumb she is. "See Dunning-Kruger" effect for details.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:51 pm
by yankees60
Libertarian666 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:27 pm
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
The representatives on both sides are, for the most part, not covering themselves in glory. Two examples. Harris thought she could outsmart her and trap her but at every turn she was one step ahead of Harris. And, Sasse went on and on and on with his speechifying, thereby eliciting zero information during that time from her. It caused me to reach the end of patience which resulting in me shouting out loud, "Shut Up!" even though I was all by myself!

Vinny
Harris isn't smart enough to realize how dumb she is. "See Dunning-Kruger" effect for details.
I am well aware of that effect. However, I don't at all think Harris is dumb. My guess is that somehow she lapsed into thinking that she was back into her prosecutor role dealing with a clearly inferior (to her) witness. Here she was dealing with someone who I think IQ is in the 150 to 160 range. I'd not want to tangle with her. She does not let anyone intimidate her. Her 7 kids probably don't get away with anything!

Vinny

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:15 am
by I Shrugged
This is why I'm glad that sports are back.
:)

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:34 pm
by Libertarian666
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:51 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:27 pm
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
The representatives on both sides are, for the most part, not covering themselves in glory. Two examples. Harris thought she could outsmart her and trap her but at every turn she was one step ahead of Harris. And, Sasse went on and on and on with his speechifying, thereby eliciting zero information during that time from her. It caused me to reach the end of patience which resulting in me shouting out loud, "Shut Up!" even though I was all by myself!

Vinny
Harris isn't smart enough to realize how dumb she is. "See Dunning-Kruger" effect for details.
I am well aware of that effect. However, I don't at all think Harris is dumb. My guess is that somehow she lapsed into thinking that she was back into her prosecutor role dealing with a clearly inferior (to her) witness. Here she was dealing with someone who I think IQ is in the 150 to 160 range. I'd not want to tangle with her. She does not let anyone intimidate her. Her 7 kids probably don't get away with anything!

Vinny
Ok, let me rephrase: Harris isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is.
I agree with you on Barrett's IQ, because she appears to be about as smart as I am.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm
by Mountaineer
Libertarian666 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:34 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:51 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:27 pm
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
The representatives on both sides are, for the most part, not covering themselves in glory. Two examples. Harris thought she could outsmart her and trap her but at every turn she was one step ahead of Harris. And, Sasse went on and on and on with his speechifying, thereby eliciting zero information during that time from her. It caused me to reach the end of patience which resulting in me shouting out loud, "Shut Up!" even though I was all by myself!

Vinny
Harris isn't smart enough to realize how dumb she is. "See Dunning-Kruger" effect for details.
I am well aware of that effect. However, I don't at all think Harris is dumb. My guess is that somehow she lapsed into thinking that she was back into her prosecutor role dealing with a clearly inferior (to her) witness. Here she was dealing with someone who I think IQ is in the 150 to 160 range. I'd not want to tangle with her. She does not let anyone intimidate her. Her 7 kids probably don't get away with anything!

Vinny
Ok, let me rephrase: Harris isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is.
I agree with you on Barrett's IQ, because she appears to be about as smart as I am.
Whoa there Kemosabe, way to shoot me down. I’m a ‘couple’ digits less than that. ;D ;D ;D

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:59 pm
by Libertarian666
Mountaineer wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:34 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:51 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:27 pm
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
The representatives on both sides are, for the most part, not covering themselves in glory. Two examples. Harris thought she could outsmart her and trap her but at every turn she was one step ahead of Harris. And, Sasse went on and on and on with his speechifying, thereby eliciting zero information during that time from her. It caused me to reach the end of patience which resulting in me shouting out loud, "Shut Up!" even though I was all by myself!

Vinny
Harris isn't smart enough to realize how dumb she is. "See Dunning-Kruger" effect for details.
I am well aware of that effect. However, I don't at all think Harris is dumb. My guess is that somehow she lapsed into thinking that she was back into her prosecutor role dealing with a clearly inferior (to her) witness. Here she was dealing with someone who I think IQ is in the 150 to 160 range. I'd not want to tangle with her. She does not let anyone intimidate her. Her 7 kids probably don't get away with anything!

Vinny
Ok, let me rephrase: Harris isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is.
I agree with you on Barrett's IQ, because she appears to be about as smart as I am.
Whoa there Kemosabe, way to shoot me down. I’m a ‘couple’ digits less than that. ;D ;D ;D
My wife told me I shouldn't brag, so I apologize.

Re: Going Kavanaugh on Barrett

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:48 am
by Mountaineer
Libertarian666 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:59 pm
Mountaineer wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:34 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:51 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
yankees60 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:27 pm
WiseOne wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:58 pm IDisgusting political theater aside.... Amy Coney Barrett has been completely composed no matter what's been thrown at her, and her answers are well considered and professional. In fact, she's showing up the questioners as being remarkably unprofessional - wonder if that's coming across to everyone or is it just me? Many of them are lawyers and should know better than to ask questions like "how would you rule for Cause X?" Not a single question about her qualifications as a judge.

I think it's actually a very good idea for an unelected lifetime appointment of this magnitude to be reviewed by elected representatives. Too bad the elected representatives are acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
The representatives on both sides are, for the most part, not covering themselves in glory. Two examples. Harris thought she could outsmart her and trap her but at every turn she was one step ahead of Harris. And, Sasse went on and on and on with his speechifying, thereby eliciting zero information during that time from her. It caused me to reach the end of patience which resulting in me shouting out loud, "Shut Up!" even though I was all by myself!

Vinny
Harris isn't smart enough to realize how dumb she is. "See Dunning-Kruger" effect for details.
I am well aware of that effect. However, I don't at all think Harris is dumb. My guess is that somehow she lapsed into thinking that she was back into her prosecutor role dealing with a clearly inferior (to her) witness. Here she was dealing with someone who I think IQ is in the 150 to 160 range. I'd not want to tangle with her. She does not let anyone intimidate her. Her 7 kids probably don't get away with anything!

Vinny
Ok, let me rephrase: Harris isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is.
I agree with you on Barrett's IQ, because she appears to be about as smart as I am.
Whoa there Kemosabe, way to shoot me down. I’m a ‘couple’ digits less than that. ;D ;D ;D
My wife told me I shouldn't brag, so I apologize.
Apology accepted, but there was no need to do so. I was trying to be humble with my shoot me down comment. My first thought was "only 150 -160?, I feel bad for such inadequate peons", but I too did not want to brag. ;)