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Re: Liberal vs Libertarian Argument in a Nutshell

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:28 pm
by glennds
tomfoolery wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:44 am Imagine we were on a plane that crashed on an island with no hope of imminent rescue.

Two factions emerge. One that wants to tell everyone what to do. Which jobs people can have such as gathering berries or firewood. How much water they can drink, how much food they can eat, where they can set up camp,etc.

The other faction says, go ahead and do whatever you want, just don’t bother anyone else.

The freedom faction seems more appealing to me. It doesn’t exclude voluntarism where people agree to help each other out where one gets berries and one gets firewood, etc.

The liberal faction wants to demand, at force, everyone participate in the way they outline. Perhaps empowered by the fact that 51% of the plane survivors are in agreement to impose their will on the other 49%.

Perhaps empowered by some reasonable arguments such as “if you shit in the stream, it pollutes the water for all of us and we’ll all die on this island”

But ultimately it’s a bunch of bullies who think they know better and want to tell everyone else what to do because they feel themselves superior in terms of logic and science and planning and reason.

And to make matters worse, if the 49% want to leave and separate out to the other part of the island to live in peace and freedom, the 51% of liberals will prevent them from doing so, at force. Because how dare they not participate and there’s a smart plan to build a big signal out of black rocks but it requires everyone to participate, the 51% can’t do it alone. If only because the 51% are mostly inferior or physically unable and require the physical labor from the 49% who don’t want to participate.
Um, are we channeling Lord of the Flies?

Though I'm not sure the real book reaches the conclusions on freedom and liberty that you'd prefer. But I think you'd enjoy it nonetheless if you haven't already read it.