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I am here because I have to show my parents that I am their daughter — and that they did not raise me to accept abuse from men.

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:06 pm Okay, this is really getting insane and out of hand. I'm talking about AOC's speech.

Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:12 pm

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:06 pm Okay, this is really getting insane and out of hand. I'm talking about AOC's speech.

It is "getting insane"? Have you been living in a cave for the last 3 1/2 years?

dualstow wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:33 pm I seem to remember Tlaib saying "impeach the m~ f~ er" and no one seemed to mind.

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:06 pm It's just an insult. You know what you do? You dig your heels in and fire off a clever comeback. You don't cry to the world just because you failed to think of one.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:19 am

europeanwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:16 am

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:06 pm It's just an insult. You know what you do? You dig your heels in and fire off a clever comeback. You don't cry to the world just because you failed to think of one.

That's just your opinion.

I've been at the receiving end of an endless stream of cleverly "funny" disguised verbal abuse from a coworker. And at some point, it goes from a single insult to systematic bullying.

Firing off a clever comeback is not the solution to systematic bullying.

I respectfully disagree. I have found time and again (for men, at least) that the best way to deal with verbal bullies is to prove to them that you won't take their crap by giving verbal abuse right back at them. If you stand your ground and show that you not only don't care what they say, but that you are willing to give a dose back, they generally leave you alone and look for weaker targets, and sometimes even try to buddy up to you.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:19 am

europeanwizard wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:16 am

Smith1776 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:06 pm It's just an insult. You know what you do? You dig your heels in and fire off a clever comeback. You don't cry to the world just because you failed to think of one.

That's just your opinion.

I've been at the receiving end of an endless stream of cleverly "funny" disguised verbal abuse from a coworker. And at some point, it goes from a single insult to systematic bullying.

Firing off a clever comeback is not the solution to systematic bullying.

I respectfully disagree. I have found time and again (for men, at least) that the best way to deal with verbal bullies is to prove to them that you won't take their crap by giving verbal abuse right back at them. If you stand your ground and show that you not only don't care what they say, but that you are willing to give a dose back, they generally leave you alone and look for weaker targets, and sometimes even try to buddy up to you.

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:40 am On a more serious note, I worked for a Plant Manager whose favorite tactic was to get in your face and yell, fume, and belittle. One day I'd had enough; I stood up to him, calmly told him I would be glad to discuss whatever it was he was upset about when he stopped ranting, then I turned and left. The secretaries who were within ear shot thought I'd probably be fired. I wasn't. And the Plant Manager actually became friendly with me and respected me. Thus, my experience agrees somewhat with Pugchief (except for the giving back verbal abuse part).

WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:22 am

Mountaineer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:40 am On a more serious note, I worked for a Plant Manager whose favorite tactic was to get in your face and yell, fume, and belittle. One day I'd had enough; I stood up to him, calmly told him I would be glad to discuss whatever it was he was upset about when he stopped ranting, then I turned and left. The secretaries who were within ear shot thought I'd probably be fired. I wasn't. And the Plant Manager actually became friendly with me and respected me. Thus, my experience agrees somewhat with Pugchief (except for the giving back verbal abuse part).

Good approach!!!

I can speak for at least one woman (i.e. me): standing up to bullies is indeed the way to go. But, you don't want to stoop to their level.

In grade school, I hit back once at a gang of particularly nasty girls, and they stopped bothering me after that. It felt good to find out years later that all them ended up in juvenile detention and never finished high school.

In my current professional situation, there are even more bullies, sadly. Medicine seems to attract them. You obviously can't hit back but you also don't want to engage in the same type of bullying behavior back to them. The ultimate answer was becoming the only person in the division to get tenure :-).

AOC is still too young to understand how this sort of thing works. She strikes me as somone who is more likely to be a bully than to be victimized by one. Frankly, a 26 year old has no business being in Congress....wish the founders applied the Presidential age limit to all of government.

Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:35 am I had an ex who was a witch. I thought that was pretty awesome. The whole basement was full of her stuff.
Sometimes I couldn't work out because of all of the incense and chanting.