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WiseOne wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:46 pm I have to say that the last time I saw a letter like that, it was written by a guy who ended up in a psychiatric hospital a few weeks later.

WiseOne wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:46 pm Wow.

I have to say that the last time I saw a letter like that, it was written by a guy who ended up in a psychiatric hospital a few weeks later.

Go Trump.

doodle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:48 am The letter states that Biden used US military aid to force the firing of a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma where his son was on board. I thought this all has been throuroughly debunked about five dozen times?

But...politicians and their families taking nepotistic advantages is wrong. Hunter biden shouldn't have been offered that job...but for that matter I don't see how this is any different than Jared kushner or Ivanka trump working as senior advisors to president. Or trump continually scheduling conferences at properties he owns.

doodle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:48 am The letter states that Biden used US military aid to force the firing of a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma where his son was on board. I thought this all has been throuroughly debunked about five dozen times?

The allegation at the heart of the controversy is that while Mr. Biden was vice president, he pushed to have Ukraine’s top prosecutor removed for investigating a company connected to Mr. Biden’s son Hunter, the Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma. ...

Vice President Biden was overseeing American policy toward Ukraine at the time, and he did push for the removal of the country’s top prosecutor, who was seen as corrupt or ineffectual by the United States and Western European governments. But there is no evidence he did so to benefit Hunter Biden or the oligarch who owns Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky.

In 2014, Hunter joined the board of Burisma, which was then mired in a corruption scandal. Authorities in Ukraine, Britain and the United States had opened investigations into the company’s operations. Mr. Zlochevsky had also been accused of marshaling government contracts to companies he owned and embezzling public money.

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.
A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.

WiseOne wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:15 am You seriously mean to tell me that Burisma was that anxious to hire a US drug convict with zero experience in their business for such a prominent and highly paid position? The prosecutor firing may not have been the main issue, but it serves as an indicator that Joe Biden was actively engaged - for reasons that are rather unclear. What's so special about Ukraine that the Vice President needed to get personally involved? Where was the Secretary of State, who should properly have been doing this job?

BTW not to pick on Joe Biden particularly. As far as I'm concerned, about 90% of members of Congress who haven't been accused of something just haven't been investigated thoroughly enough. Hell, if you investigated ME for 3 years you'd probably find something to charge me with!!

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:22 am I imagine, if it comes down to Biden and Trump in 2020, esp. if this Biden thing is still brewing, I see a lot of independent, reasonable people in the country voting for Trump.

Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:43 pm The Biden family corruption is so blatantly obvious in this situation that anyone can understand it. To the average voter looking up from real life just long enough to see what everyone is talking about, the first impression is that the Democrats want to impeach the president for trying to expose a crime and then elect the person who committed the crime. It's no coincidence that Trump's approval rating keeps climbing through this whole process.

Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:43 pm The Biden family corruption is so blatantly obvious in this situation that anyone can understand it. To the average voter looking up from real life just long enough to see what everyone is talking about, the first impression is that the Democrats want to impeach the president for trying to expose a crime and then elect the person who committed the crime.