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Forum / Team?

Post by vnatale » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:30 pm

Looking at the five people on the team it seems like that only two of them are currently active?

Who "owns" this forum? Who pays its bills?

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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by drumminj » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:07 pm

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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by Xan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:42 pm

MediumTex used to run the forum, and Craig owned the domain. At one point he asked for some volunteers to be moderators to help him, and so TennPaGa and l82start became moderators.

I think Tex had largely backed way off almost to nothing by the time Craig decided to move on to things other than the PP. Craig was ready to jettison everything. I volunteered to keep the forum going, and Craig and Tex graciously transferred the domain and the forum's database to me.

A while back Tenn needed to prioritize his real life, and so stopped visiting (or at least posting) on the forum. Hopefully he'll be back someday.

That's where things stand on "The Team". I still consider it primarily Craig and Tex's site, and they are welcome to have it back if they ever want it. I try to run it as they would have. I'm largely happy to be the administrator, although I really don't like moderating. On occasion I've been forced into it. For the most part, this forum requires really very little moderating.
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by vnatale » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:33 pm

Xan wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:42 pm
MediumTex used to run the forum, and Craig owned the domain. At one point he asked for some volunteers to be moderators to help him, and so TennPaGa and l82start became moderators.

I think Tex had largely backed way off almost to nothing by the time Craig decided to move on to things other than the PP. Craig was ready to jettison everything. I volunteered to keep the forum going, and Craig and Tex graciously transferred the domain and the forum's database to me.

A while back Tenn needed to prioritize his real life, and so stopped visiting (or at least posting) on the forum. Hopefully he'll be back someday.

That's where things stand on "The Team". I still consider it primarily Craig and Tex's site, and they are welcome to have it back if they ever want it. I try to run it as they would have. I'm largely happy to be the administrator, although I really don't like moderating. On occasion I've been forced into it. For the most part, this forum requires really very little moderating.
A BIG thank you for taking it on and keeping it going!

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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by dualstow » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 pm

Wow.
In any case, a belated happy new year, Tenn!
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by Xan » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:57 pm

Tenn, sorry to have mischaracterized your departure. It's always great to hear from you, even if (sadly) you're saying that you won't be coming back.
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:17 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:57 pm
Tenn, <....> It's always great to hear from you, even if (sadly) you're saying that you won't be coming back.
Ditto
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by Kbg » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:16 pm

The thing I like about this board is it has "Other Discussions" where people can be obnoxious, opinionated etc. and it kinda stays there and every once in a while I like to whaller in the mud/gutter for fun as well. As long as it stays there I'll be around for a while. If it gets into the investing sections, I will be gone.

It also has the VP section that folks can discuss non PP stuff and not have the PP doctrine nazis come after them which is a definite problem with BH board.

In the above respects the framework of the forum is almost like well designed off ramps for stuff that has killed many a board.
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by pugchief » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:57 pm

TennPaGa wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:43 pm


I simply grew disgusted with the tenor of the political discussions here.

I will say that when I initially joined the board, I was primarily curious about the PP. In particular, the idea that it was generally a "set it and forget it" portfolio was appealing to my nature.

I also noted that the PP-related discussions conveyed a very flexible and respectful attitude toward non-PP allocations. Orthodoxy was not an expectation. This was also very appealing to me. I like conversations that are built around persuasion and not ridicule or bullying or coercion.

Now, as Craig and MediumTex often wrote, once you are bought in to a PP allocation, there is not a whole to discuss. But I stuck around for the "Other Discussions"... I discovered things in the political / economic economic realm I doubt I would have learned about had I not stumbled upon this place. Of course, the fact that there were a few very well-spoken and knowledgeable posters (I'm mainly thinking of MediumTex and Pointedstick here, but there were many others) was a big help.

For the most part, these controversial topics around politics and economics were generally discussed in a respectful manner. But I came to realize that this mainly happened due to MediumTex's (and, secondarily, Pointedstick's) influence. And once MT stepped back, the tone seemed to change.

And I can think of no better illustration of the change than in the discussions around Donald Trump. Back in the 2016 election, there were many threads. And many different points of view. Generally speaking, all treated respectfully.

But basically things reached a point here where the response to anything that questioned Trump's effectiveness or actions or policies were met with the retort of "You have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Get help." Or something similar.

And modest attempts from moderators and posters at changing this were met with disdain.

I enjoy different viewpoints. I really do. And I especially enjoy seeing different written styles of persuasion. Unfortunately, this place became a pro-Trump echo chamber. I wish this weren't true, but it is. And I simply don't enjoy hanging out in a place where unquestioned orthodoxy to any viewpoint is expected.

I wish I could have helped stop that from happening. But I couldn't. So if I couldn't nudge the behavior in what I saw was a better direction, and didn't like what it had become, the only viable option was to leave. So I did.

While I don't disagree with anything you have said, know that you are missed and your contributions always respected. There is always the option of ignoring certain threads or members that you find distasteful.
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by Mark Leavy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:42 pm

Fantastic to hear your voice again Tenn. It's no mystery why Tex gave you a set of keys.
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by Pointedstick » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:28 am

Agreed, nice to hear from you again, Tenn.

FWIW I agree with you 100% about how the tenor of political discussions evolved, and I stand by that "obituary," though obviously the forum isn't dead and here you and I are still posting very occasionally.

My experiences here as well as in real life during the Trump era have left me fundamentally convinced that you must give no quarter to trolls, fascists, and any others with no respect for their fellow man or ability to hold rational discussions when they try to join polite society. You need to push them out them, or else they will slowly poison the deep well of social value that others have painstakingly saved up. If they don't go away or play nice, then they are demonstrating that they only understand force and you need to crush them. When you start to do this, they will yell and scream and complain about how unfair it is and call you names, bleating disingenuously about how mean you are and how you're being a hyprocrite or are actually a fascist yourself, but this is just a trick to weaken your resolve. They know that power and force may be uncomfortable tools for you and they're trying to take advantage of your vulnerability to undermine your self-image. You must harden your heart and crush them remorselessly if you want to preserve your society. There is no other way.
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Re: Forum / Team?

Post by Xan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:09 pm

I wish I had all the answers, and a way to satisfy everyone, but it just doesn't exist (which I think is a big part of PS's point above). In the other thread about the forum, I pointed out that there were outages when nobody was running the ship. That's better now from a technical perspective, but perhaps nobody's been running the ship in terms of the conversation.

Policing conversations really isn't what I signed up for. But I don't think Tex ever did much of that, really. I can think of two people who were banned on his watch. I think there's been one since. Of course when he did speak up about toning things down, people listened, and bans became unnecessary.

Perhaps the real lesson here is that things come and go, and we should enjoy the good things while they're around without pining for what might have been when they're gone. If this forum is still useful for people, then great. If not, then we sure had something nice for a while, didn't we?

As Mountaineer might say: The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
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