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Familiar?

Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:24 pm

This familiar to anyone?

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Re: Familiar?

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:20 pm

Yes. However, I have now learned to not try to redefine the past to fit my current views. The past is the past. No amount of handwringing or moralizing will change it. I can only learn from it and do the best I can in the present. The future will present itself soon enough. There is no need to be anxious, that is only a delusion that for those who think they are in control of events beyond their control.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:52 pm

No.


I was a volunteer, that led volunteers, who mostly did a good job, who mostly loved this country.

I would guess close to 0% of modern fighting men (I'm early 30s) would carry that Zippo; they would feel disgraced by it.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by Kbg » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:07 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:52 pm
No.


I was a volunteer, that led volunteers, who mostly did a good job, who mostly loved this country.

I would guess close to 0% of modern fighting men (I'm early 30s) would carry that Zippo; they would feel disgraced by it.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by europeanwizard » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:58 am

I checked what Harry Browne had to say on the subject:
Governments invariably call upon their citizens to cooperate in efforts for the "public good." They want you to sacrifice to help solve economic crises, foreign-trade problems, and military conflicts; but these things were caused originally by government intervention. Even so, the calls can seem compelling, and social pressure can build on behalf of patriotic efforts. I don't believe that you do anything for your country by fighting in a war (any war), giving up your money, or sacrificing in any way.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:52 pm
No.


I was a volunteer, that led volunteers, who mostly did a good job, who mostly loved this country.

I would guess close to 0% of modern fighting men (I'm early 30s) would carry that Zippo; they would feel disgraced by it.
That Zippo was in reference to a War which was, for the most part, not fought by volunteers and a War in which the President did not believe in but continued to prosecute because he did not want to be the first U.S. president to lose a war.

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Re: Familiar?

Post by jacksonm2 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:06 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:52 pm
No.


I was a volunteer, that led volunteers, who mostly did a good job, who mostly loved this country.

I would guess close to 0% of modern fighting men (I'm early 30s) would carry that Zippo; they would feel disgraced by it.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 am

vnatale wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 am
That Zippo was in reference to a War which was, for the most part, not fought by volunteers and a War in which the President did not believe in but continued to prosecute because he did not want to be the first U.S. president to lose a war.

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Right. I am unfamiliar with the Vietnam mindset.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:44 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:13 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 am
That Zippo was in reference to a War which was, for the most part, not fought by volunteers and a War in which the President did not believe in but continued to prosecute because he did not want to be the first U.S. president to lose a war.

Vinny
Right. I am unfamiliar with the Vietnam mindset.
My response was not assuming you were.

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Re: Familiar?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:54 am

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Re: Familiar?

Post by dualstow » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:28 pm

Potentially sensitive question here, Kriegsspiel. Did you encounter anyone actively trying to recruit neo-Nazis? I would think that most of that happens in the States, and then recruits may decide to enlist to get training and perhaps fighting experience. Probably no time for that once one is on a tour of duty.

You always hear about them in the military and the police force, but I have no anecdotal experience. There were two guys I bumped into at a shooting range, but I didn't know them well enough to ask.

For what it's worth, I'm a support the troops kind of guy. That even includes skinheads, as long as they're fighting for the country.

I do wonder if any of them accidentally form friendships with blacks and other non-whites whom they wouldn't befriend back home, or if they just behave and tolerate those they don't like while serving in the army, marines, etc.
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Re: Familiar?

Post by vnatale » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:49 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:28 pm
Potentially sensitive question here, Kriegsspiel. Did you encounter anyone actively trying to recruit neo-Nazis? I would think that most of that happens in the States, and then recruits may decide to enlist to get training and perhaps fighting experience. Probably no time for that once one is on a tour of duty.

You always hear about them in the military and the police force, but I have no anecdotal experience. There were two guys I bumped into at a shooting range, but I didn't know them well enough to ask.

For what it's worth, I'm a support the troops kind of guy. That even includes skinheads, as long as they're fighting for the country.

I do wonder if any of them accidentally form friendships with blacks and other non-whites whom they wouldn't befriend back home, or if they just behave and tolerate those they don't like while serving in the army, marines, etc.
I wonder about your same in your last paragraph regarding major league baseball players. I think those who are drawn to the military have a fairly good overlap with those who go into professional baseball. And, then many of them end up being in a mix of people unlike what they grew up with.

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