What Did Trump Do That Was So Bad?

[glennds]

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I'm starting to think Trump might fracture this nation.

Might?

In the Humpty Dumpty sense...like never put back together again. I am convinced we are watching an ascendant fascist narrative here.

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Well maybe, but I really wasn't implying a literal Nazi metaphor, at least not at this point.
But I am saying he is a uniquely divisive and polarizing president. I would like to think even the most ardent Trump supporters would not go so far as to call him a great unifier.

You're wrong. I'm sure I'm not the only Trump supporter who would indeed call him a great unifier.

He doesn't care about color, race, gender, sexual preference, or any of those other divisive issues that the "progressives" shout about all the time.

All he cares about is whether you are an American and want the United States to succeed.

Unfortunately that lets out the "progressives", who want to burn down the system.

With any luck, the Democrat party will implode after they get destroyed in this election. Then maybe we can go back to being a country instead of a collection of tribes.

Let me get this straight -
It appears that you see Trump as a great unifier and you stand behind him as such, however "with any luck" success involves the opposing side being obliterated (implode or destroyed to be exact)? That does not sound like unification.

I think I agree with your prior comments in other threads that yes, Trump is a marketing genius. A P.T. Barnum quote also comes to mind.
Either I am just having trouble parsing the logic, or I must have TDS, or Industrial Disease, or maybe I'm turning Japanese.

[glennds]

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I'm starting to think Trump might fracture this nation.

Might?

In the Humpty Dumpty sense...like never put back together again. I am convinced we are watching an ascendant fascist narrative here.

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Well maybe, but I really wasn't implying a literal Nazi metaphor, at least not at this point.
But I am saying he is a uniquely divisive and polarizing president. I would like to think even the most ardent Trump supporters would not go so far as to call him a great unifier.
Does anyone think a highly polarized society is a good thing in the long run? Some people seem to think so, as long as their tribe is the winning one. But you have to question whether there are any winners at the end of the road we are on. Well maybe one person. Or maybe a foreign country or two.

Either way, I predict we should all buckle up and prepare for the possibility that tomorrow is only the first round of a slugfest that will go on for weeks if not months.
Lots of lawyers, lots of court hearings, and a display for the rest of the world of how democracy is not supposed to work. And possibly a stark display of just how imperfect our hallowed Constitution really is.

On the other hand, this could well turn out to be similar to the 1980 election. Clear cut winner declared tomorrow night. All the court fights will be over some of the senate elections.

Vinny

To be clear cut, I think the winner will have to win decidedly at the in-person voting polls where the counts are known most quickly, and then the lead will need to maintain or increase as the additional votes from other routes are counted in the days following. All the other outcomes and combinations fall into the grey zone where the legal fighting will happen.

The allegations of voting fraud have been really unfortunate, because they really increase the possibility that the losing side will not easily accept the results, and then it's anyone's guess what would or could happen next.

[doodle]

Trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to bring democracy to the world.

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[yankees60]

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I'm starting to think Trump might fracture this nation.

Might?

In the Humpty Dumpty sense...like never put back together again. I am convinced we are watching an ascendant fascist narrative here.

4caj8igwssw51.png

Screenshot_20201102-075727.png
CharlottesvilleNazis640.png

5e47110596eee625936fcc65.jpeg

Well maybe, but I really wasn't implying a literal Nazi metaphor, at least not at this point.
But I am saying he is a uniquely divisive and polarizing president. I would like to think even the most ardent Trump supporters would not go so far as to call him a great unifier.
Does anyone think a highly polarized society is a good thing in the long run? Some people seem to think so, as long as their tribe is the winning one. But you have to question whether there are any winners at the end of the road we are on. Well maybe one person. Or maybe a foreign country or two.

Either way, I predict we should all buckle up and prepare for the possibility that tomorrow is only the first round of a slugfest that will go on for weeks if not months.
Lots of lawyers, lots of court hearings, and a display for the rest of the world of how democracy is not supposed to work. And possibly a stark display of just how imperfect our hallowed Constitution really is.

On the other hand, this could well turn out to be similar to the 1980 election. Clear cut winner declared tomorrow night. All the court fights will be over some of the senate elections.

Vinny

To be clear cut, I think the winner will have to win decidedly at the in-person voting polls where the counts are known most quickly, and then the lead will need to maintain or increase as the additional votes from other routes are counted in the days following. All the other outcomes and combinations fall into the grey zone where the legal fighting will happen.

The allegations of voting fraud have been really unfortunate, because they really increase the possibility that the losing side will not easily accept the results, and then it's anyone's guess what would or could happen next.

Take a look at this:

https://cookpolitical.com/index.php/ana ... ign-rested

The Six Faulty Assumptions on Which the Trump Campaign Rested


Do we see any of these same faulty assumptions having been or continuing to be voiced here?


Vinny

[yankees60]

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I'm starting to think Trump might fracture this nation.

Might?

In the Humpty Dumpty sense...like never put back together again. I am convinced we are watching an ascendant fascist narrative here.

4caj8igwssw51.png

Screenshot_20201102-075727.png
CharlottesvilleNazis640.png

5e47110596eee625936fcc65.jpeg

Well maybe, but I really wasn't implying a literal Nazi metaphor, at least not at this point.
But I am saying he is a uniquely divisive and polarizing president. I would like to think even the most ardent Trump supporters would not go so far as to call him a great unifier.
Does anyone think a highly polarized society is a good thing in the long run? Some people seem to think so, as long as their tribe is the winning one. But you have to question whether there are any winners at the end of the road we are on. Well maybe one person. Or maybe a foreign country or two.

Either way, I predict we should all buckle up and prepare for the possibility that tomorrow is only the first round of a slugfest that will go on for weeks if not months.
Lots of lawyers, lots of court hearings, and a display for the rest of the world of how democracy is not supposed to work. And possibly a stark display of just how imperfect our hallowed Constitution really is.

On the other hand, this could well turn out to be similar to the 1980 election. Clear cut winner declared tomorrow night. All the court fights will be over some of the senate elections.

Vinny

To be clear cut, I think the winner will have to win decidedly at the in-person voting polls where the counts are known most quickly, and then the lead will need to maintain or increase as the additional votes from other routes are counted in the days following. All the other outcomes and combinations fall into the grey zone where the legal fighting will happen.

The allegations of voting fraud have been really unfortunate, because they really increase the possibility that the losing side will not easily accept the results, and then it's anyone's guess what would or could happen next.

Take a look at this:

https://cookpolitical.com/index.php/ana ... ign-rested

The Six Faulty Assumptions on Which the Trump Campaign Rested


Do we see any of these same faulty assumptions having been or continuing to be voiced here?


Vinny

The author of the article was on earlier today and is again on C-Span now. You can watch it any time here:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?477427-4/ ... paign-2020


Extremely illuminating! Warning: Any with BDS might view it with extreme denial!

Vinny

[Cortopassi]

Vinny, it is terribly obvious that Charlie Cook had TDS level 1E06.

I think there is better than 50% chance that Biden does walk away with a win on Tuesday.

One other item I have seen on 60 minutes is there are certainly a lot of silent Biden voters, just like there are likely silent Trump voters.

Many of my friends who I speak with would never guess I was a Biden voter given how I talk about the virus.

[Tortoise]

If Trump really were an authoritarian who thirsts for more power, why didn’t he take the golden opportunity to grab more federal “emergency powers” during this months-long Covid-1984 panic like so many blue state governors did?

[doodle]

You don't unify a group of people and your opponents by insulting and bullying them. Compromise doesn't work that way. That's how civil wars begin. I know you want to see America unified, you have chosen a person however who is incapable of doing that. He has been embroiled in battle his entire life...over 3500 lawsuits. What makes you think a man like that is capable of bringing peace?

So, hypothetically speaking, if a group were to form to fight fascism and racism, that group wouldn’t be successful by bullying, such as blocking traffic on roads, surrounding cars holding hammers, setting buildings on fire, yelling at random white people that they were racist.

This hypothetical group, that would oppose fascism, let’s call them Anti-Fasicism-ists, they wouldn’t operate that way, they’d be open to compromise and have peaceful protests that didn’t bully, intimidate, or threaten?

Yep, antifas methods that resorted to looting and burning are not constructive and not to be tolerated. The same goes for the other side blocking traffic on roads, chasing down political opponents on highways, insulting and bullying, plotting to kidnap and kill elected officials.... I don't see much point to this game of 'whataboutism' that you like to play. I mentioned in a few posts prior how the democrats terrify me as well. It would appear that Im standing out here in the open while you are firmly dug into your trench.

[doodle]

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I'm starting to think Trump might fracture this nation.

Might?

In the Humpty Dumpty sense...like never put back together again. I am convinced we are watching an ascendant fascist narrative here.

4caj8igwssw51.png

Screenshot_20201102-075727.png
CharlottesvilleNazis640.png

5e47110596eee625936fcc65.jpeg

Well maybe, but I really wasn't implying a literal Nazi metaphor, at least not at this point.
But I am saying he is a uniquely divisive and polarizing president. I would like to think even the most ardent Trump supporters would not go so far as to call him a great unifier.

You're wrong. I'm sure I'm not the only Trump supporter who would indeed call him a great unifier.

He doesn't care about color, race, gender, sexual preference, or any of those other divisive issues that the "progressives" shout about all the time.

All he cares about is whether you are an American and want the United States to succeed.

Unfortunately that lets out the "progressives", who want to burn down the system.

With any luck, the Democrat party will implode after they get destroyed in this election. Then maybe we can go back to being a country instead of a collection of tribes.

Let me get this straight -
It appears that you see Trump as a great unifier and you stand behind him as such, however "with any luck" success involves the opposing side being obliterated (implode or destroyed to be exact)? That does not sound like unification.

I think I agree with your prior comments in other threads that yes, Trump is a marketing genius. A P.T. Barnum quote also comes to mind.
Either I am just having trouble parsing the logic, or I must have TDS, or Industrial Disease, or maybe I'm turning Japanese.

The Democrat party's method is to divide the country up into warring factions.
Obviously a unifier must by definition be against such a party.

I don't want the current members of the Democrat party to be harmed. I just want them to realize that the current version of their party isn't a positive force in society. That realization will lead to the collapse of their party, which then rise from the ashes like the Phoenix.

Then maybe we can have a loyal opposition rather than a traitorous one.

Holy shit! I can agree with you on something!...Well, not the traitorous part...that's a bit extreme I think and that's exactly the type of language that divides people. We need an intelligent, rational leader with good communication skills. Trump is exactly the opposite of that.

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[doodle]

After 9 pages, it really does seem like it’s his personality that bothers people and not his policy.

As someone who doesn’t watch the news and limits what kind of news I read online, I haven’t been bothered by his personality.

If the mainstream media cared about what was best for the country, perhaps they’d not focus so much on trumps personality. And perhaps fewer liberals would be pissed off.

I don’t know Tim Cook’s personality and I buy iPhones. I don’t care what it is, I just want a good product.

It seems like liberals would prefer a shittier product made by someone with a good personality.

Tom, he mocks, belittles, insults, demeans opponents. Can't you see how damaging that is to uniting people? Tim Cooks job isn't to build political consensus. He's a dictator of sorts...of a corporation. Being president of the country is a unique job. You can't just fire people your opponents...and half the country along with them. His job is more akin to being a principal of a school. I don't know any principal who would be effective employing his techniques. They might work in business, but this is a totally different arena that requires a different approach.

[doodle]

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This is the problem.

[doodle]

You can choose to work or not work at apple. You can choose to buy or not buy an iphone. You can't choose to be or not be an American.

[Tortoise]

Doodle, come on. After that whole "Trump mocks a disabled reporter" incident, Trump clarified that he had never met the guy and didn't know what he looks like. Trump's mocking gestures and tone of voice in that video clip, although distasteful and not very "presidential", were not directed at a known disabled man. There are video clips of Trump using similar gestures and sounds in relation to non-disabled people, too. It's just part of his schtick sometimes when he mocks people.

How many times have members of this forum used expressions like "Durrrr" in heated political discussions? It's unfortunately quite common for people to imitate mentally disabled people when mocking an opponent's point of view.

Was it childish, especially for a presidential candidate? Yes. But was it deliberate bigotry by Trump against a known disabled man? No.

[Cortopassi]

(Tortoise) Come on. Change the sentence to "Trump was in cahoots with so and so" and then Trump clarified he barely knew the guy(s) after they get indicted or whatever. (That doesn't happen much, right?)

It's just part of his schtick sometimes when he mocks people. (Yeah, Mr. Presidential. Mocking and president really shouldn't go together)

But was it deliberate bigotry by Trump against a known disabled man? No. (I don't think you can or want to get inside Trump's head and find out what he really meant by the display)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-e ... ds-n627736

That was quite a long body/arm gyration if he was meaning to imply something other than the reporter being disabled.

Oh, and another thing, from Frontline, Trump never ever apologized for the stance he took on the Central Park 5 even after they were exonerated. Whereas Biden actually apologizes for the stupid shit he's done. That means a lot, to me.

[glennds]

You can choose to work or not work at apple. You can choose to buy or not buy an iphone. You can't choose to be or not be an American.

I can choose not to watch the president on TV.

I can’t choose not to turn in guns that the president decided to ban nor can I choose to go to the gym after the president banned all gyms for the duration of covid-1984, nor can I choose not to pay higher taxes in the form of 401k reform.

I wouldn’t have even known trump allegedly mocked a disabled reporter if you hadn’t posted that image.

I’d 100% have known my after-tax net income dropped by $30k and that my gym was closed.

I heard a guy on 60 Minutes last night who is a 2016 Trump voter from Akron, Ohio who is voting Biden this time. He's a veteran Goodyear Tire factory employee. In August when Trump, infuriated that Goodyear's human resources dept prohibited the wearing of MAGA merchandise in the factories, put out a tweet calling for people to boycott Goodyear. "Don't buy GOODYEAR TIRES.... Get better tires for far less" his tweet read.

The worker said he was amazed, and could not recall a US President before Trump calling for a boycott of an American company.
Factor in that Goodyear handcrafts all the tires used at NASCAR AND provides the specialized tires used on all the Presidential motorcade vehicles.
Boycotting the employer directly hurts the employee, the management, and stockholders.

Is this:
a) Just a personality issue and a question of style but not much else
b) Bad business
c) Bad politics
d) If it doesn't affect me, I don't care issue
e) A symptomatic example of priorities that should concern us all
f) Once again, Trump was just kidding around, and the left just don't get the joke

[doodle]

Fine, I'll waive the mocking of disabled reporter.

Does he or does he not frequently insult people by drawing attention to their height, weight, or personal attributes? Call them creepy, crazy, idiots or anything else he feels like? Says disparaging things about any opponent of his or even people that he has hired and then later feels the need to disparage and publically fire?

Can you recall a single time where he has apologized for anything? Has he ever said or done anything wrong in his entire life? .....I guess he did briefly apologize for the grab them by the pussy remark and the trying to "F*#@" a married woman....before he deflected back to Bill Clinton.

Anyway, you want to have this man continue to represent your party then please be prepared for four more years of continued bickering or worse. If you can find a man with similar positions who can behave like an adult I'll probably vote for him.

You say you are all about outcomes, then you need to realize that the ends rarely justify the means...unless you believe that the methodology of Mao and Stalin are worth emulating.

[Tortoise]

(Tortoise) Come on. Change the sentence to "Trump was in cahoots with so and so" and then Trump clarified he barely knew the guy(s) after they get indicted or whatever. (That doesn't happen much, right?)

Whataboutism

It's just part of his schtick sometimes when he mocks people. (Yeah, Mr. Presidential. Mocking and president really shouldn't go together)

I agree with you on that. As I acknowledged in my previous post, a schtick that involves mock-disabled gestures is childish and isn't appropriate for a presidential candidate or the President.

But was it deliberate bigotry by Trump against a known disabled man? No. (I don't think you can or want to get inside Trump's head and find out what he really meant by the display)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-e ... ds-n627736

That was quite a long body/arm gyration if he was meaning to imply something other than the reporter being disabled.

I can't read Trump's mind. My point was simply that Trump publicly stated he had never met the reporter and didn't know what he looks like, and there are also video clips of Trump making similar mocking hand gestures and sounds on several other occasions.

As uncouth as Trump often is, even he would have to realize it would be political suicide to intentionally mock a specific disabled person's physical disability. The guy is definitely a troll, but he didn't make it this far by being a complete idiot.

Tom hit the bullseye a few posts back when he said, "It seems like liberals would prefer a shittier product made by someone with a good personality." In 2020, the American liberal motto has become "Form over function."

[Cortopassi]

Tom hit the bullseye a few posts back when he said, "It seems like liberals would prefer a shittier product made by someone with a good personality." In 2020, the American liberal motto has become "Form over function."

Tortoise, seems you are getting soft man. Thinking about voting for Biden?

But, in your quoted comment, I don't think the product will be shittier. I think we'll have a better chance of feeling more American -- all of us.

Case in point -- called my mother last night. I could hear my Dad in the background with Fox cranked and a Trump rally on. When he heard it was me he yelled out "Are you sure that Kamala was born in the US?" So when there's talk of brainwashed, Fox has done a number on my parents.

I'd rather have the us against them mean us against places and people and corporations outside the US, etc. Not Illinois against Texas. Not Democrats against Republicans.

Too idealistic, I know. But I would rather focus energy on making everyone feel more united. I'd like a government/cheap healthcare option -- one major item that will likely keep me from retiring earlier than I'd like is healthcare coverage.

I want more focus and money on renewables, solar, wind, fusion.

While I don't necessarily agree climate change is 100% man-made, I totally agree with programs that go in that direction generally because they will create new jobs and pollute less. Just look at LED bulbs vs regular? Remember all the shit about phasing out incandescent? And now -- who the heck would want an incandescent anymore?

Anyway, I am much more socially aligned with liberals. I do wish we could control spending better at all levels, but that seems a pipe dream.

[pp4me]

Most of Trump's insults are like a Don RIckles comedy act to me, meant to be more funny than mean. And a lot of them do crack me up.

On the other hand, being called a racist, white supremacist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe (I've heard many more but I can't think of all of them right now) - those kinds of insults don't strike me the same way.

[Tortoise]

Tortoise, seems you are getting soft man. Thinking about voting for Biden?

LOL. Sorry to disappoint, but I already voted for Trump yesterday.

He can indeed be childish and crass in his behavior sometimes, but I guess where I differ from liberals is that I consider Trump's lack of decorum to be far less destructive to most American people than a political party that stokes Covid-1984 hysteria and refuses to arrest and prosecute violent BLM/Antifa rioters.

The left has finally gone completely off the rails, so I voted Trump.

But, in your quoted comment, I don't think the product will be shittier. I think we'll have a better chance of feeling more American -- all of us.

I wouldn't feel more American under Biden's proposed nationwide Covid-1984 lockdown. Nor would I feel more American with BLM/Antifa rioting being condoned at the federal level rather than just at the state level.

Speaking of feeling "American", what does it say when the sight of an American flag on somebody's house, car, or truck tells me with very high probability that the person plans to vote for Trump? In 2020, the Stars and Stripes have become associated almost exclusively with Trump's campaign and not Biden's.

So tell me... which candidate is the one encouraging us all to feel proud of being Americans? Which candidate is claiming to put America first?

You and doodle often speak of yearning for unification. The American flag is one of the most powerful symbols of unification for Americans. Trump has been very wise to embrace it and rally his followers behind it.

[doodle]

Anyone want to explain who the aggressors here are?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreako ... t_fights/

[doodle]

Now, reverse the races and tell me you wouldn't all be collectively losing your shit?

[yankees60]

After 9 pages, it really does seem like it’s his personality that bothers people and not his policy.

As someone who doesn’t watch the news and limits what kind of news I read online, I haven’t been bothered by his personality.

If the mainstream media cared about what was best for the country, perhaps they’d not focus so much on trumps personality. And perhaps fewer liberals would be pissed off.

I don’t know Tim Cook’s personality and I buy iPhones. I don’t care what it is, I just want a good product.

It seems like liberals would prefer a shittier product made by someone with a good personality.

I will point out that you have oftentimes made sweeping statements and continue to do so here.

Count me out regarding your first sentence sweeping statement. For me it's his demonstrated lack of qualifications. To focus on just one. He is a prolific, documented liar. Do you trust people who lie to you in either your personal or business relationships? How is he effective in any way when this is one of his demonstrated characteristics?

Finally I will address your last sweeping statement. "Liberals" are all this way? Are you one of those people who says ALL women are a certain way, rather then determining HOW EACH woman actually is?

I think that, for the most part, anyone here who has dared to not worship Trump confines their statements to what they have observed in Trump and his actions but do not go on to make sweeping statements of either ALL "Republicans" or "conservatives". I do, though, oftentimes witness here the opposite - the "Liberals", the "Democrats". They are all viewed as one monolith with no distinction between any of them.

And, totally tangential...I'll throw in my personal announcement here.

I was down to voting either Amy K and Tulsi G. I did not want to exert any effort or dedicate time to attempt to distinguish between them since my vote is going nowhere. I was going to just toss a coin - Heads for Amy and Tails for Tulsi. However, just awhile ago, when I was listening to the Sundays news talk shows and it sunk in that Amy K was actively campaigning for Joe Biden, my mind was made up. Tomorrow it will be Tulsi Gabbard. I saw a ton of her on C-Span in full, unfiltered campaign stops. Always liked all I saw in those plus her debate performances.

Vinny

Vinny

[yankees60]

After 9 pages, it really does seem like it’s his personality that bothers people and not his policy.

As someone who doesn’t watch the news and limits what kind of news I read online, I haven’t been bothered by his personality.

If the mainstream media cared about what was best for the country, perhaps they’d not focus so much on trumps personality. And perhaps fewer liberals would be pissed off.

I don’t know Tim Cook’s personality and I buy iPhones. I don’t care what it is, I just want a good product.

It seems like liberals would prefer a shittier product made by someone with a good personality.

Tom, he mocks, belittles, insults, demeans opponents. Can't you see how damaging that is to uniting people? Tim Cooks job isn't to build political consensus. He's a dictator of sorts...of a corporation. Being president of the country is a unique job. You can't just fire people your opponents...and half the country along with them. His job is more akin to being a principal of a school. I don't know any principal who would be effective employing his techniques. They might work in business, but this is a totally different arena that requires a different approach.

Plus if Tim Cook behaved in public just once the way Trump has in a continual and ongoing manner he'd be removed from his position so quickly all our heads would be spinning!

Vinny

[doodle]

After 9 pages, it really does seem like it’s his personality that bothers people and not his policy.

As someone who doesn’t watch the news and limits what kind of news I read online, I haven’t been bothered by his personality.

If the mainstream media cared about what was best for the country, perhaps they’d not focus so much on trumps personality. And perhaps fewer liberals would be pissed off.

I don’t know Tim Cook’s personality and I buy iPhones. I don’t care what it is, I just want a good product.

It seems like liberals would prefer a shittier product made by someone with a good personality.

I will point out that you have oftentimes made sweeping statements and continue to do so here.

Count me out regarding your first sentence sweeping statement. For me it's his demonstrated lack of qualifications. To focus on just one. He is a prolific, documented liar. Do you trust people who lie to you in either your personal or business relationships? How is he effective in any way when this is one of his demonstrated characteristics?

Finally I will address your last sweeping statement. "Liberals" are all this way? Are you one of those people who says ALL women are a certain way, rather then determining HOW EACH woman actually is?

I think that, for the most part, anyone here who has dared to not worship Trump confines their statements to what they have observed in Trump and his actions but do not go on to make sweeping statements of either ALL "Republicans" or "conservatives". I do, though, oftentimes witness here the opposite - the "Liberals", the "Democrats". They are all viewed as one monolith with no distinction between any of them.

And, totally tangential...I'll throw in my personal announcement here.

I was down to voting either Amy K and Tulsi G. I did not want to exert any effort or dedicate time to attempt to distinguish between them since my vote is going nowhere. I was going to just toss a coin - Heads for Amy and Tails for Tulsi. However, just awhile ago, when I was listening to the Sundays news talk shows and it sunk in that Amy K was actively campaigning for Joe Biden, my mind was made up. Tomorrow it will be Tulsi Gabbard. I saw a ton of her on C-Span in full, unfiltered campaign stops. Always liked all I saw in those plus her debate performances.

Vinny

Vinny

Now that you mention it, that is true. There has been a lot of blanket stereotyping happening here towards the left whereas the criticism in return has mostly been concerning Trump. My guess is that it's a habit picked up from watching a lot of Fox and listening to right wing pundit radio where that term is tossed around ad nauseum. If a respectable conservative (and there are many) were on the ticket this year they would have gotten my vote....but I'm just another "liberal"