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Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:59 pm
by dualstow
Looks like Heather McDonald is reading the same stats, Xan:
Heather McDonald in the WSJ wrote:In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.
from:
The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-o ... 1591119883

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm
by pp4me
Tortoise wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:02 pm
Mountaineer wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:51 pm
MangoMan wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:44 pm Am I the only one here that thinks part of the reason the rioting has gotten so out of hand is bc of the Covid lockdown? I agree with Scott Adams that this has set the progress of Black back 10 years. But doesn't take much to make people snap under the conditions we've been under.
I’m with you Pug. My wife and I just had that conversation. And we added hot weather to the mix. Pressure cooker times indeed.
Yes, in fact Scott Adams explicitly said on his podcast the other day that he thinks a big contributor to the riots and looting has been "pent-up energy" created by the Covid-19 lockdowns.
I tend to agree with this. As a matter of fact when the lockdowns first started and I saw millions of people being put out of work I remember saying that I believed we were going to eventually start seeing rioting in the streets. For once, I guess my crystal ball worked pretty well.

All that was really needed was for someone to light a match to the powder keg and that's what happened. And then you have the media and liberal/leftist politicians standing by ready to fan the flames into a full scale conflagration.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:42 pm
by Dieter
pp4me wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm
Tortoise wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:02 pm
Mountaineer wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:51 pm
MangoMan wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:44 pm Am I the only one here that thinks part of the reason the rioting has gotten so out of hand is bc of the Covid lockdown? I agree with Scott Adams that this has set the progress of Black back 10 years. But doesn't take much to make people snap under the conditions we've been under.
I’m with you Pug. My wife and I just had that conversation. And we added hot weather to the mix. Pressure cooker times indeed.
Yes, in fact Scott Adams explicitly said on his podcast the other day that he thinks a big contributor to the riots and looting has been "pent-up energy" created by the Covid-19 lockdowns.
I tend to agree with this. As a matter of fact when the lockdowns first started and I saw millions of people being put out of work I remember saying that I believed we were going to eventually start seeing rioting in the streets. For once, I guess my crystal ball worked pretty well.

All that was really needed was for someone to light a match to the powder keg and that's what happened. And then you have the media and liberal/leftist politicians standing by ready to fan the flames into a full scale conflagration.
Really. All the lefties fault. Trump is such an f'ing uniter that he has peaceful protests tear gassed for a BS church photo opp.

Threatening to use military to dominate protesters.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/politics ... index.html

Blaming it all on left wing agitators and not actually doing any investigation of right wrong agitators.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/t ... r-n1221456

[Edit: who has been calling the press the enemy of the people for how long?]

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:39 pm
by pp4me
Dieter wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:42 pm
pp4me wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm
Tortoise wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:02 pm
Mountaineer wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:51 pm
MangoMan wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:44 pm Am I the only one here that thinks part of the reason the rioting has gotten so out of hand is bc of the Covid lockdown? I agree with Scott Adams that this has set the progress of Black back 10 years. But doesn't take much to make people snap under the conditions we've been under.
I’m with you Pug. My wife and I just had that conversation. And we added hot weather to the mix. Pressure cooker times indeed.
Yes, in fact Scott Adams explicitly said on his podcast the other day that he thinks a big contributor to the riots and looting has been "pent-up energy" created by the Covid-19 lockdowns.
I tend to agree with this. As a matter of fact when the lockdowns first started and I saw millions of people being put out of work I remember saying that I believed we were going to eventually start seeing rioting in the streets. For once, I guess my crystal ball worked pretty well.

All that was really needed was for someone to light a match to the powder keg and that's what happened. And then you have the media and liberal/leftist politicians standing by ready to fan the flames into a full scale conflagration.
Really. All the lefties fault. Trump is such an f'ing uniter that he has peaceful protests tear gassed for a BS church photo opp.

Threatening to use military to dominate protesters.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/politics ... index.html

Blaming it all on left wing agitators and not actually doing any investigation of right wrong agitators.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/t ... r-n1221456

[Edit: who has been calling the press the enemy of the people for how long?]
You either missed my point or I'm not making it very well.

I didn't blame it all on left wing agitators. I blamed it on the Covid-19 lockdowns which I believed at the time would go down in history as a moment of temporary insanity, probably without parallel in America history. The economy was doing great, unemployment was at all an all time low, and there was real hope for a better life for a lot of people. And then one day you decide to put 40 million people out of work, mostly on the lower end of the socio-economic ladder, and crush whatever dreams they had for years to come. What could possibly go wrong with that?

It's not surprising that there are both left and right wing protesters. If you stopped and asked them I wonder what percentage would even know who George Floyd was.

As for the left wing media and politicians fanning the flames I stand by that. Because that's just what they do.

And as for Trump threatening to use the military, what is he supposed to do when all-out war has been declared on America?

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:51 pm
by Tortoise
pp4me wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm ...when the lockdowns first started and I saw millions of people being put out of work I remember saying that I believed we were going to eventually start seeing rioting in the streets. For once, I guess my crystal ball worked pretty well.
Yeah, I thought the same thing when the lockdowns first started. But I thought that the rioting would be sparked by the lockdowns themselves, which wasn't the case. They ended up being sparked by a seemingly unrelated event. The lockdowns largely filled the powder keg and the George Flynn incident ignited it.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:53 pm
by flyingpylon
Dieter wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:42 pm Trump is such an f'ing uniter that he has peaceful protests tear gassed for a BS church photo opp.
This is false.

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_2 ... onahan.htm

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:46 pm
by pp4me
Tortoise wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:51 pm
pp4me wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm ...when the lockdowns first started and I saw millions of people being put out of work I remember saying that I believed we were going to eventually start seeing rioting in the streets. For once, I guess my crystal ball worked pretty well.
Yeah, I thought the same thing when the lockdowns first started. But I thought that the rioting would be sparked by the lockdowns themselves, which wasn't the case. They ended up being sparked by a seemingly unrelated event. The lockdowns largely filled the powder keg and the George Flynn incident ignited it.
I just heard that protests were breaking out in Australia, France, and some other European country supposedly over the death of George Floyd. Go figure.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:12 pm
by dualstow
As Glenn Lowry put it, "The truth hardly matters here."

https://youtu.be/2RMEiclpA7E

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:56 pm
by Kriegsspiel
Smith1776 wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 2:30 am Owning a gun has scant relevance to defending yourself against terrorists, burglars, or flying saucers. It’s about defending yourself against a police state that does not care for your well-being or your liberties.
Man arrested for holding a rifle while group of protesters advanced on him.

It appears he was part of a group of people defending a neighborhood from protesters/potential rioters. The article said someone from his group said something to the protesters. In the video you can see some of the protesters had to be physically restrained by other protesters from going after the defenders.
“On June 1, 2020, the Upland Police Department was monitoring a peaceful protest in their city. The police officers were notified by protestors of a potentially life-threatening incident. The officers immediately investigated the incident. Bracken was arrested by the Upland Police Department, and the case was forwarded to our office for filing consideration,” the district attorney’s office said. link
A protester who witnessed the incident said he felt “nothing but hate and racism.”

“We’re just here to peacefully protest and you don’t want to take anything further. You don’t know what these people are capable of,” the man, with his face covered by a black bandana, said.
LOL

The same crowd later threw rocks and bottles at police, who dispersed them with non-lethal rounds. We're now at DEFCLOWN 5

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:25 pm
by Hal
pp4me wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:46 pm
Tortoise wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:51 pm
pp4me wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm ...when the lockdowns first started and I saw millions of people being put out of work I remember saying that I believed we were going to eventually start seeing rioting in the streets. For once, I guess my crystal ball worked pretty well.
Yeah, I thought the same thing when the lockdowns first started. But I thought that the rioting would be sparked by the lockdowns themselves, which wasn't the case. They ended up being sparked by a seemingly unrelated event. The lockdowns largely filled the powder keg and the George Flynn incident ignited it.
I just heard that protests were breaking out in Australia, France, and some other European country supposedly over the death of George Floyd. Go figure.
Any reason....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjvCXq-LZY

Background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:36 pm
by shekels
Project Veritas INFILTRATES ANTIFA: “Practice things like an eye gouge...injure someone's eyes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc12eBPuxwg

edit: correct link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxcSKvx-rB4

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:40 pm
by Libertarian666
shekels wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:36 pm Project Veritas INFILTRATES ANTIFA: “Practice things like an eye gouge...injure someone's eyes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc12eBPuxwg
But I thought Antifa wasn't even an organization? I'm so confused! >:D

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:41 pm
by Smith1776
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Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:43 pm
by Kriegsspiel
shekels wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:36 pm Project Veritas INFILTRATES ANTIFA: “Practice things like an eye gouge...injure someone's eyes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc12eBPuxwg
That's the Amazon Go link again.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:55 pm
by shekels
Kriegsspiel wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:43 pm
shekels wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:36 pm Project Veritas INFILTRATES ANTIFA: “Practice things like an eye gouge...injure someone's eyes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc12eBPuxwg
That's the Amazon Go link again.
Just got back an realized Oh Crap.. here is the right one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxcSKvx-rB4

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:57 pm
by dualstow
So far, I don't know that a single other soul has looked at the John McWhorter interviews I've posted. It may be because there are more than a dozen threads on the riots now and I haven't kept up with all of them. Or, it may simply be that the videos are too damned long!
How about just a few minutes of the new one, beginning here?

https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA?t=193

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:23 pm
by I Shrugged
dualstow wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:57 pm So far, I don't know that a single other soul has looked at the John McWhorter interviews I've posted. It may be because there are more than a dozen threads on the riots now and I haven't kept up with all of them. Or, it may simply be that the videos are too damned long!
How about just a few minutes of the new one, beginning here?

https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA?t=193
Extremely interesting. Thanks. I'll watch more.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:14 pm
by yankees60
MangoMan wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:04 pm
dualstow wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:57 pm So far, I don't know that a single other soul has looked at the John McWhorter interviews I've posted. It may be because there are more than a dozen threads on the riots now and I haven't kept up with all of them. Or, it may simply be that the videos are too damned long!
How about just a few minutes of the new one, beginning here?

https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA?t=193
^this. My limit is about 12 minutes with linked videos, here or emailed or wherever.
I rarely watch videos. But when I do I prefer that they are on the longer rather than the shorter side. Always like to keep a high ratio of: Actual substance / time spent getting to that substance.

Vinny

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:51 pm
by Xan
dualstow wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:57 pm So far, I don't know that a single other soul has looked at the John McWhorter interviews I've posted. It may be because there are more than a dozen threads on the riots now and I haven't kept up with all of them. Or, it may simply be that the videos are too damned long!
How about just a few minutes of the new one, beginning here?

https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA?t=193
I clicked on it thinking I'd hear about 30 seconds worth and wasn't able to turn it off.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:05 pm
by yankees60
Xan wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:51 pm
dualstow wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:57 pm So far, I don't know that a single other soul has looked at the John McWhorter interviews I've posted. It may be because there are more than a dozen threads on the riots now and I haven't kept up with all of them. Or, it may simply be that the videos are too damned long!
How about just a few minutes of the new one, beginning here?

https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA?t=193
I clicked on it thinking I'd hear about 30 seconds worth and wasn't able to turn it off.
I was introduced to John McWhorter after seeing him on C-Span's Book TV talking about one of his books. Bought several of his books after seeing that. Here is what is of him at C-Span: https://www.c-span.org/person/?johnmcwhorter.

Vinny

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:47 am
by pp4me
One good thing to come out of all the recent events is that I'm starting to treat the news like I do my portfolio - only peek once in a while.

Another is I now have an excuse for drinking too much.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:24 am
by dualstow
Cool, thanks for watching, guys.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:02 pm
by pp4me
And yet another angle.....

I vote for this guy to lead the OWMM movement (Old White Men Matter)

https://youtu.be/yN2y-p-vM4k

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:32 pm
by Mark Leavy
pp4me wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:02 pm And another one.....

I vote for this guy to lead the OWMM movement (Old White Men Matter)

https://youtu.be/yN2y-p-vM4k
My new spiritual leader!
Hilarious. I'm checking Amazon for overalls right now.

Re: Another angle on the recent events in America and the world

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:41 pm
by Libertarian666
pp4me wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:02 pm And yet another angle.....

I vote for this guy to lead the OWMM movement (Old White Men Matter)

https://youtu.be/yN2y-p-vM4k
"Somebody did something."