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Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:25 pm
by MachineGhost
barrett wrote:Source, MG? Looks like the 30-year bond lost about 6% in 1981. Hardly a crash. I'd be really curious to hear what Dalio is recommending these days. The version of the All Weather Portfolio that I saw from a couple of years back had 40% in 30-year treasuries and another 15% in 10-year bonds.
I don't know why when supposedly smart people say "bonds" they always have shorter-duration, multi-composite AGG (only about 33.26% Treasuries) in mind and never 30-year Treasuries. We must really be daredevil mavericks around here! OTOH, the duration of 30-year Treasuries in 1981 was only 6.81. I agree -- not a crash at all. Not compared to the 137% increased risk we face now (since the last bottom in yields). What is worrying is how fast these yield increases will happen. The faster it is, the "tighter the money" it will act upon the PP. We're not in a regime of high inflation so it would have to be from some kind of exogenous shock and not from the Fed.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/remarks- ... -ray-dalio

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:05 am
by barrett
Thanks for posting that Dalio link, MG. It deserves its own thread. Looks like he must have been referring to the 7/2/79 to 2/26/80 drawdown in 30-year bonds that was 25.5%. That of course makes sense because interest rates were shooting up during that period. By 1981 holding long bonds was a great position (in retrospect) because rates were about to start going down, and for a long time.

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:09 am
by MachineGhost
Battle stations!!!

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Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:00 pm
by ochotona
Oh my goodness. Not good at all.

When the 3 mo MA crosses the 36 mo MA, that's worse. That hasn't occurred yet.

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:06 am
by ochotona
Paul Novell at investingforaliving.us follows UER as a technical indicator quite closely. This is what he says:

"The UER cross is only the first piece of the signal. Now the 200 day SMA is in play. A sell signal would occur when the SPY crosses below the 200 day SMA."

Still, General Quarters!

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:17 pm
by Cortopassi
PP solidly back into single digit gain range after the past few days... :(

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:32 pm
by Mr Vacuum
And the brexit volatility gains have disappeared.

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:03 pm
by Reub
The stock market has turned decidedly negative in recent days. We're reaching the end of Obama's false economy so be careful.

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:24 pm
by dualstow
Reub wrote:The stock market has turned decidedly negative in recent days. We're reaching the end of Obama's false economy so be careful.
Well God bless his false economy and what it's done for us, Reub, because it's been an incredible run.
Only things is, I would rather have stocks remain low as I am still in the accumulation phase.

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:31 pm
by buddtholomew
DS, you may want to add ...and go up when I retire.
No guarantees, right?

Re: Hand Holding

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:49 pm
by Reub
dualstow wrote:
Reub wrote:The stock market has turned decidedly negative in recent days. We're reaching the end of Obama's false economy so be careful.
Well God bless his false economy and what it's done for us, Reub, because it's been an incredible run.
You won't be saying that after the next crash, DS.