Gyroscopic Investing

glennds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:46 pm
In the 1950's couldn't the argument have been made that the long term effects of the Polio vaccine were not known, and Polio while serious, affected only a relatively small % of Americans, so why take the vaccine? Why subject yourself to a grand experiment?

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:50 pm

glennds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:46 pm
In the 1950's couldn't the argument have been made that the long term effects of the Polio vaccine were not known, and Polio while serious, affected only a relatively small % of Americans, so why take the vaccine? Why subject yourself to a grand experiment?

I went back and looked specifically at the polio vaccine. See the post here

Anti-vax sentiment from some segments rivaled, easily, what we hear here and elsewhere. Seems history repeats a lot.

glennds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:24 pm

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:50 pm

glennds wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:46 pm

In the 1950's couldn't the argument have been made that the long term effects of the Polio vaccine were not known, and Polio while serious, affected only a relatively small % of Americans, so why take the vaccine? Why subject yourself to a grand experiment?

I went back and looked specifically at the polio vaccine. See the post here

Anti-vax sentiment from some segments rivaled, easily, what we hear here and elsewhere. Seems history repeats a lot.

Right. And now that we have enough history in the rear view mirror, can we make a conclusion about the position that the Murder Inc. anti-vax crowd from that time took?
It seems like they all eventually became pretty quiet. But boy, for a while, they were certain, weren't they?

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:31 am
Or They both are safe and once again the conspiracy, doomsayer ,glass is always empty crowd is wrong again

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:54 am Cool bro. More vindictiveness

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:31 am Or They both are safe and once again the conspiracy, doomsayer ,glass is always empty crowd is wrong again

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:49 am

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:31 am Or They both are safe and once again the conspiracy, doomsayer ,glass is always empty crowd is wrong again

That's fine. You represent the authoritarian crowd. You've made that clear.

Xan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:06 am

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:49 am

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:31 am Or They both are safe and once again the conspiracy, doomsayer ,glass is always empty crowd is wrong again

That's fine. You represent the authoritarian crowd. You've made that clear.

I wouldn't say it's authoritarian to hold the position that the vaccines are safe (or at least safer than the disease) and to debunk the facts and figures from the antivax crowd.

WiseOne wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:32 am

Xan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:06 am

I Shrugged wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:49 am

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:31 am Or They both are safe and once again the conspiracy, doomsayer ,glass is always empty crowd is wrong again

That's fine. You represent the authoritarian crowd. You've made that clear.

I wouldn't say it's authoritarian to hold the position that the vaccines are safe (or at least safer than the disease) and to debunk the facts and figures from the antivax crowd.

I think where the "authoritarian" part comes in is when journalists with no medical credentials whatsoever, and without examining the data, assert in news articles that the vaccine is safe and immediately dismiss any evidence to the contrary. Then they assert that you are a "denier" or "vaccine hesistant" if you examine the data for yourself and come to a different conclusion, or assess your own risk/benefit ratio and come to a decision that is contrary to the mandate you've been given. And if you post any of this analysis on Youtube or Twitter, your content gets deleted and your account may be locked.

What about that isn't authoritarian? Notice by the way that the exact same procedure was applied to the claims of voting irregularities in the 2020 election. There may well have been a perfectly legitimate election but I don't like the way the reports of pretty obvious irregularities were dismissed out of hand.

"Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should. COVID vaccines are important for older high-risk people, and their care-takers. Those with prior natural infection do not need it. Nor children."

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:26 am
I see the authoritarianism you highlight.... And extrapolate onto passports and worse. The courts have proven themselves to be illegitimate sophists. For ex, They colluded in suppressing any investigation of the fraudulent election results.