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Exactly ,,,they would have died with or without the shot ..but you can’t tell me that someone like myself who is diabetic dying from covid was not covid related.. you have people with health issues living just fine without covid and then covid shortens their life and kills them.Tortoise wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:00 pm So if a person is hanging on by a thread or has major preexisting conditions, they should be labeled a "Covid death" if they die after testing positive for Covid, but they should not be labeled a "Covid vaccine death" if they die soon after receiving the vaccine?
I fail to see the comparison at all ...that doctor didn’t die from the vaccine anymore than if I took the vaccine and got hit by a bus and died.. but a covid death is a covid death if it caused it prematurely..most who die from covid die from viral pneumonia or failing organs from low o2 levels or covid induced blood clots .Xan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:10 pm Tortoise is pointing out that it's skewed to consider anybody dying WITH Covid as dying OF Covid, while at the same time drawing a distinction between people dying FROM the vaccine and those dying by coincidence shortly after receiving the vaccination.
He's right, although there are probably multiple orders of magnitude difference between the two.
The consistency to covid has been change ...which is why it is better to be conservative and take precautions then to deal with getting covid and hoping yours is a mild case ....because there is nothing that vaccine will do to you that covid can’t do a whole lot worse
You are kinder than I am , I want them to at least see what I went through with covid and still am going through months latertomfoolery wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:56 pmOn one hand, I agree with you, I hope that the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers wind up with only a mild case of covid. On the other hand, if they get a severe case, it might serve as an example to the rest to change the beat of their drums.mathjak107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:03 pm
The consistency to covid has been change ...which is why it is better to be conservative and take precautions then to deal with getting covid and hoping yours is a mild case ....because there is nothing that vaccine will do to you that covid can’t do a whole lot worse
Spahn said the decision followed a recommendation from the Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI), Germany’s authority in charge of vaccines, following newly registered cases of thrombosis.
“The decision today is purely precautionary. It is a purely technical and not a political decision. And that is why I am following the recommendation of the Paul Ehrlich Institute here,” Spahn said, adding that cases were very rare.
The PEI said in a statement that more instances of coagulation disorders had been reported following vaccination with AstraZeneca’s shot since Thursday.
The institute noted a “conspicuous accumulation” of cases of a very rare cerebral vein thrombosis together with lack of blood platelets known as thrombocytopenia and bleeding.
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Friday that several cases of immune thrombocytopenia, a lack of platelets in the blood that can lead to bleeding and bruising, had been reported under its vaccine safety monitoring process.
MangoMan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:29 am
murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:17 pm
Encouraging that many healthcare workers are refusing to be experimented upon. (Are they reckless conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers?)
I have no doubt there are some. I have many friends who are physicians and they have all voluntarily been vaccinated, even the ones with right leaning political views.
Perhaps some of those 5% already got Covid and recovered from it, so they already have some immunity and think that any additional immunity they might receive from a vaccine may not be worth the risk of taking a vaccine whose long-term effects aren't yet known?yankees60 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:02 pm Yesterday on the "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" show....former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie stated that 95% of physicians who were offered the vaccine took it.
That always begs the question of what do that remaining 5% (think they) know that the 95% does not know.
Does it?yankees60 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:02 pm Yesterday on the "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" show....former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie stated that 95% of physicians who were offered the vaccine took it.
That always begs the question of what do that remaining 5% (think they) know that the 95% does not know.
dualstow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:36 pm
yankees60 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:02 pm
Yesterday on the "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" show....former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie stated that 95% of physicians who were offered the vaccine took it.
That always begs the question of what do that remaining 5% (think they) know that the 95% does not know.
Does it?
I simply go with the 95% and the tiny minority can screw themselves. They’re the Armond White of doctors with opinions.Vinny wrote: What alternative interpretations do you have? That is what first comes to mind for me...
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:40 amTheir immunity is unknown when you get it from covid ...it is not about measuring antibodies...so you can’t tell if you have immunity or Howe long it lasts ....after being vaccinated most show no antibodies present .... our bodies powerful defense is our T cells , B cells and memory cells , not antibodies floating around , it is the ability to create them as needed.Tortoise wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:19 pmPerhaps some of those 5% already got Covid and recovered from it, so they already have some immunity and think that any additional immunity they might receive from a vaccine may not be worth the risk of taking a vaccine whose long-term effects aren't yet known?yankees60 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:02 pm Yesterday on the "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" show....former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie stated that 95% of physicians who were offered the vaccine took it.
That always begs the question of what do that remaining 5% (think they) know that the 95% does not know.
If air bags work , why do we use seat belts , and if seat belts work why do we need air bags , and if they both work why do we need brakes ?
Like those here who believe the pp works because the sum of the parts works better than anyone of them alone , so it is a package of protection we need
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:50 amVaccinated yesterday afternoon. Sore arm near injection point that evening.
Less sore this morning with no other effects other than I hate getting up for work after day light savings time kicks in.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:00 amI think we need to have a special "TF" satire topic. Where you can channel your Steven Wright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Wright
Your satire (and I am still not 100% sure!) is so concealed that newbies may not figure it out, and like I say, I am still not sure.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:19 am95% sure is good enough for deciding on (DJT accent on) China Virus (accent off) prevention measures, or when playing hand grenades.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:00 am I think we need to have a special "TF" satire topic. Where you can channel your Steven Wright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Wright
Your satire (and I am still not 100% sure!) is so concealed that newbies may not figure it out, and like I say, I am still not sure.
Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:47 amIt isn't satire, it's self-preservation! Only registered Democrats like tomfoolery will be immune from political persecution.
