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Re: Obamacare plan crippled by losses
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:44 pm
by MachineGhost
TennPaGa wrote:
I think you give politicians too much credit.
Yeah, they had to pass to bill to know what it was in it! After all, Obamacare was a market-based insurance solution in accordance with conservative principles by the policy wonks. The major mistake was in not letting catastrophobic losses be written off on taxes instead of being covered by insurance -- or somethng like that.
So naturally you can see people just wax their piehole in accordance to their biased ideology and not the facts of the matter. What facts?

Re: Obamacare plan crippled by losses
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:46 pm
by MachineGhost
MediumTex wrote:
Obama is certainly being held responsible for his incompetence. He gave Congress to the Republicans, and he's about to give the White House to Donald Trump. How much more spectacularly can a President be repudiated than that?
You're giving way too much credit to rank-and-file voters. They don't decide the swings that keeps the bastards gridlocked. I understand they want to root for their home team to sweep, but that's just not how our government was designed to work.
Re: Obamacare plan crippled by losses
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:48 pm
by MachineGhost
MediumTex wrote:
I think that the establishment badly misunderstands the extent to which regular Americans are sick of politicians working for moneyed interests rather than for the American people.
In other words, the ultra liberal "billionaires are buying our elections" propaganda has now infested the Republican Party? Strange bedfellows.
Re: Obamacare plan crippled by losses
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:52 pm
by MachineGhost
WiseOne wrote:
I would genuinely like to see a real study made of Obamacare, to determine the reason for the high costs. The current losses could be transient, if it's due to a lot of delayed care on the part of the newly insured, but if there's been a big surge in chronic prescription writing, then the pharmaceutical companies are the ones bleeding the rest of the health care field dry.
Who cares about the reasons, really? What we need are effective solutions. But they're just not politically palatable. So onto Medicare For All we go and kick the can down the road. There's just no tweaks you can make to fix a system that is not market competitive, not consumer driven, has no pricing transparency, has obscene levels of crony regulatory capture and relies on third party payors to pay expenses. It's a clusterfuck.
I admit that it would definitely improve unemployment and job productivity if we had a public health care option, similar to a Citizen's Dividend to provide true social security. Employers need to get out of the business and focus on what they do best. But we need to do that without turning into a worst version of Canada which is already way too overtaxed and regulated.