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Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:18 am
by Tom
Today is looking good!  Nice bump in treasuries and gold, stocks having a tough time.

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:23 pm
by Tom
S&P now negative YTD.  PPers can feel vindicated.

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:44 pm
by Libertarian666
Tom wrote: S&P now negative YTD.  PPers can feel vindicated.
As can others who are positive YTD... like me.  ;D

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:16 pm
by ochotona
Very interesting lessons in volatility this year.

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:33 pm
by mathjak107
i am down .84% ytd.  of course the damage was the gains which were nice  right up until  the greece thing ,.  so far i can't complain at only down less than 1% .

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:13 pm
by dualstow
mathjak107 wrote: i am down .84% ytd.  of course the damage was the gains which were nice  right up until  the greece thing ,.  so far i can't complain at only down less than 1% .
I believe you mathjak, but just in case the market falls further, remember to rest assured that there's nothing to prove. Otherwise, we might get into that territory that reminds me of the brief Onion article: "Man From Canada Acts like He's Not Cold."  ;)

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:22 am
by mathjak107
well at 50/50  even a 40% drop is a 20%  fall but that fall is to levels i would never have been at if i was doing the pp all these years so everything is relative .

but watching those dollars evaporate is still painful  as whether it is the houses money or your own in reality it is still all your money and you got to smell it    lol.


these are the days the pp gets it's day in the sun .

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:53 am
by Tom
S&P is now not only negative yrs but lower ytd than hbpp.  Gold and treasuries picked up a lot of slack.  Good lesson on staying the course despite all the noise and predictions out there.

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:16 am
by Pointedstick
The PP is always at its strongest when stocks are falling and the outlook is negative, since it has two other powerful assets that can either alternately or simultaneously pick up the slack. It is at its weakest when the stock market is so hot that everyone is short-sightedly selling gold and treasuries, and interest rates are so low that cash isn't providing any punch. That's where we were very recently, and it's always illuminating to see how fast things can change.

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:20 am
by Libertarian666
Tom wrote: S&P is now not only negative yrs but lower ytd than hbpp.  Gold and treasuries picked up a lot of slack.  Good lesson on staying the course despite all the noise and predictions out there.
I'm up slightly for the year too, thanks to getting a big, big 1.5% interest rate in Swiss Francs!

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:18 am
by buddtholomew
Pointedstick wrote: The PP is always at its strongest when stocks are falling and the outlook is negative, since it has two other powerful assets that can either alternately or simultaneously pick up the slack. It is at its weakest when the stock market is so hot that everyone is short-sightedly selling gold and treasuries, and interest rates are so low that cash isn't providing any punch. That's where we were very recently, and it's always illuminating to see how fast things can change.
I haven't seen anything from the PP. equities have declined 6+% in 2 days and gold/LTT have done nothing.

Re: No gains to be had

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:19 am
by Pointedstick
Repeat after me: day-to-day movements are noise. In 2008, it took a little while for gold and treasuries to respond, too.