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Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:11 am
by dualstow
gizmo_rat wrote:
dualstow wrote:
Simonjester wrote: just read a (hopefully propaganda or satire) article about how England was now asking its people to turn in their knives..
i am sure they will feel safer once all those dangerous sharp instruments  are gone [/sarc] ...if its true....
It's real.
I was just getting ready to turn in my scissors and letter opener, but I can't find any references to this at all.
It sounds like one of those periodic knife amnesties where teenage 'shoguns' get dragged into police stations by their mums to hand in the samurai sword and throwing stars that she found under the bed with the jazz mags.
It can otherwise be a bit tricky to dispose of them without causing an incident.
For example, 12 February:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-26141325

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:08 am
by Mountaineer
dualstow wrote:
gizmo_rat wrote:
dualstow wrote: It's real.
I was just getting ready to turn in my scissors and letter opener, but I can't find any references to this at all.
It sounds like one of those periodic knife amnesties where teenage 'shoguns' get dragged into police stations by their mums to hand in the samurai sword and throwing stars that she found under the bed with the jazz mags.
It can otherwise be a bit tricky to dispose of them without causing an incident.
For example, 12 February:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-26141325
It is fascinating how many think banning the tool will stop the violence.  Seems to me that humans throughout history with a desire to harm other humans will always come up with a method that uses the tools available at the time that they think are just a wee bit better than the other person's tool, for example, a pair of strong hands or an extension cord garrote.  Even more fascinating is to ponder who will be turning in their weapons, be it knives, guns, or brass knuckles, and the mindset that thinks the restrictions will make us all safer when the criminals are the ones laughing their butts off. 

... Mountaineer

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:47 pm
by Jan Van

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:02 pm
by Pointedstick
At least you can't say "Dubya did it too" for this one! :P

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:58 pm
by Jan Van
Pointedstick wrote: At least you can't say "Dubya did it too" for this one! :P
Right, unless you count these:
George W. Bush:
2002

By executive order, expedited naturalization for green-card holders who joined military.

2005

By executive order, deferred deportation of students affected by Hurricane Katrina.

2006

By executive order, enabled 1,500 Cuban physicians to seek asylum at US embassies.

2007

By executive order, deferred deportation of 3,600 Liberians.
See: Impeachable? Here Are 18 Immigration Executive Orders Issued by Recent Republican Presidents

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:11 pm
by MachineGhost
Okay, that DACA is bullshit!  For all the hyperbole about magnet this or that, that is literally one.  No wonder there was a huge influx from Central America this year.  And now it gets expanded?  If these were skilled immigrants, I'd say its no big deal.

How exactly do these "unauthorized parents" get "authorized" to legally work?

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:24 pm
by Mountaineer
Jan Van wrote: So what's the big deal?

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Executive actions on immigration have long history
The big deal is in the numbers (e.g. the race is on, obama's is in the lead, rounding the last turn, two years to go, heartbreak is rapidly gaining) and in the content of the exec actions.  Not the fact that previous presidents have also used them.

... Mountaineer

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:16 pm
by invst65
MachineGhost wrote: If these were skilled immigrants, I'd say its no big deal.
Do you have experience of competing with "skilled immigrants" for your livelihood?

Just askin'

Re: Immigration reform

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:25 pm
by Pointedstick
invst65 wrote:
MachineGhost wrote: If these were skilled immigrants, I'd say its no big deal.
Do you have experience of competing with "skilled immigrants" for your livelihood?

Just askin'
I do, actually. Tech industry. Lots of Indians and Chinese. I find that often all that they can really compete on is price, especially if their grasp of English isn't perfect. Now, their naturalized children are another story, and tend to be real all-stars. But then again, they're culturally American by that point.

As usual, it's the folks on the bottom who suffer from the increased competition.