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Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:40 pm
by Kshartle
MachineGhost wrote:
moda0306 wrote:
I'd say anarchists have some answering to do on this as well, but for the moment I'll concede that they are truly on the other end of the spectrum... Advocating for abandonment of "the state."
All anarchists are "deep anarchists", whether they know it or not. What this means is the "state" is a hallucinotion that others believe in and use coercive force to specifically make it reality. After all, the "state" does not literally exist. It is a meme. But this is a little too "New Age" for almost all people, so it is more comfortable to debate philosophy and logistics.
Careful MG. Concepts like the state not literally existing
absolutely blows minds here. Same with nation, society, forests etc.
Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:52 pm
by moda0306
The state may not exist from the standpoint of consciousness, but much like the term "forests," it does help to organize how things are structured as groups.
It's important to make that distinction... Especially when we have a government specifically designed with checks and balances, where no one person has true full control of anything. It will tend to behave sort of like a Ouija board.
In the end though, you're right that we shouldn't attribute traits to a thing that don't apply. A government, as an entity in the minds of individuals, does exist, but "it" doesn't "make decisions." It isn't moral or immoral, on a fundamental, drilled-down basis.
Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:58 pm
by Kshartle
Si.
Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:00 pm
by moda0306
Wait... Did we just agree?
Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:23 pm
by MachineGhost
moda0306 wrote:
Wait... Did we just agree?
Damn, the Reptillian monster strikes again! Who shall be next to be cloned and discarded?
Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:28 pm
by Kshartle
moda0306 wrote:
Wait... Did we just agree?
I am on 'shrooms.
Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:22 am
by Reub
Conan on George HW Bush skydiving today: "So, if you include Obama, there were two Presidents in free fall today."

Re: The Year of the Tea Party Part Deux?
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:19 am
by Kshartle
Reub wrote:
Conan on George HW Bush skydiving today: "So, if you include Obama, there were two Presidents in free fall today."
I think Obama is going to go down pretty hard. It seems the presidents are usually hung out to dry by the media in the 2nd term.
He's gotten a lot more passes than Bush or Clinton did because any criticism is labeled as racism but I think that line is used up. I think he has a rough time in front of him and the legacy will be obvious horrible failure.
Not that I vote or care, just an observation. He will be turned on by the media I think.