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Re: Finally one country comes to its senses!

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:43 pm
by Libertarian666
Kshartle wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote:
Kshartle wrote: I prefer...the enemy of the great life is the good life.

Your point is taken, but I really couldn't live with myself at this point if I preached about a feast but settled for table scraps.
I think one country finally getting the nerve up to decide that they should not be throwing people in jail for growing, buying or selling a plant is more than table scraps. I think it's a nail in the coffin of all drug laws.
:)

I hope that's true. I think the human story is moving us towards the respect for the rights of the individual since it's true and the collective or societal rights are a lie. It's two steps forward and one step back at times. We're stepping back here in 'merica. I mean look at the creature the 'mericans elected.

I hope you're right but I suspect they did not "come to their senses" about right and wrong but instead about what would make them rich and more powerful. Now they will really get to control the drug trade.

The power to regulate and tax is much more lucrative than the power to outlaw.

Maybe I'm just a bit cynical that they haven't "found religion" down in Paraguy. :)
No, the power to outlaw is much more lucrative. That's why there is such resistance to regulating and taxing pot in the US; the police/prison industrial complex would lose billions of dollars if it were legal.

Re: Finally one country comes to its senses!

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:52 pm
by Kshartle
Libertarian666 wrote:
Kshartle wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: I think one country finally getting the nerve up to decide that they should not be throwing people in jail for growing, buying or selling a plant is more than table scraps. I think it's a nail in the coffin of all drug laws.
:)

I hope that's true. I think the human story is moving us towards the respect for the rights of the individual since it's true and the collective or societal rights are a lie. It's two steps forward and one step back at times. We're stepping back here in 'merica. I mean look at the creature the 'mericans elected.

I hope you're right but I suspect they did not "come to their senses" about right and wrong but instead about what would make them rich and more powerful. Now they will really get to control the drug trade.

The power to regulate and tax is much more lucrative than the power to outlaw.

Maybe I'm just a bit cynical that they haven't "found religion" down in Paraguy. :)
No, the power to outlaw is much more lucrative. That's why there is such resistance to regulating and taxing pot in the US; the police/prison industrial complex would lose billions of dollars if it were legal.
Yes agreed, but that are a lot of other moving parts that they might be unable to put into place down there (courts/police/prison etc.). The paraguain (SP) gubmit might be getting nearly shut out of the weed biz right now. The stuff they need to build the police/prison industrial complex here costs mucho dinero. 

I'm just saying I really don't trust the politicians to vote on what is best for the people rather than their own pockets.

Incidently, Can you make and sell alcohol here without heavy taxes and licenses even 90 years or whatever after prohibition ended? My point is the incrementalism doesn't lead to freedom. It just swells the gubmit by feeding it more tax money.

Maybe it will turn out differently down there. I hope I'm wrong.

Re: Finally one country comes to its senses!

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:56 pm
by Libertarian666
Kshartle wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote:
Kshartle wrote: :)

I hope that's true. I think the human story is moving us towards the respect for the rights of the individual since it's true and the collective or societal rights are a lie. It's two steps forward and one step back at times. We're stepping back here in 'merica. I mean look at the creature the 'mericans elected.

I hope you're right but I suspect they did not "come to their senses" about right and wrong but instead about what would make them rich and more powerful. Now they will really get to control the drug trade.

The power to regulate and tax is much more lucrative than the power to outlaw.

Maybe I'm just a bit cynical that they haven't "found religion" down in Paraguy. :)
No, the power to outlaw is much more lucrative. That's why there is such resistance to regulating and taxing pot in the US; the police/prison industrial complex would lose billions of dollars if it were legal.
Yes agreed, but that are a lot of other moving parts that they might be unable to put into place down there (courts/police/prison etc.). The paraguain (SP) gubmit might be getting nearly shut out of the weed biz right now. The stuff they need to build the police/prison industrial complex here costs mucho dinero. 

I'm just saying I really don't trust the politicians to vote on what is best for the people rather than their own pockets.

Incidently, Can you make and sell alcohol here without heavy taxes and licenses even 90 years or whatever after prohibition ended? My point is the incrementalism doesn't lead to freedom. It just swells the gubmit by feeding it more tax money.

Maybe it will turn out differently down there. I hope I'm wrong.
I'm fairly sure it will turn out differently down there, as they are more interested in saving money and reducing crime than in hassling people.

Furthermore, it is clear to me that the US repeal of Prohibition was an immense gain to freedom even in the face of the regulations, which I agree are bad. Remember, they had regulation before Prohibition too, and the crime associated with Prohibition was lessened tremendously after its repeal.

(It's Uruguay, not Paraguay, by the way; they are very different.)

Re: Finally one country comes to its senses!

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:59 pm
by Kshartle
Libertarian666 wrote:
Kshartle wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: No, the power to outlaw is much more lucrative. That's why there is such resistance to regulating and taxing pot in the US; the police/prison industrial complex would lose billions of dollars if it were legal.
Yes agreed, but that are a lot of other moving parts that they might be unable to put into place down there (courts/police/prison etc.). The paraguain (SP) gubmit might be getting nearly shut out of the weed biz right now. The stuff they need to build the police/prison industrial complex here costs mucho dinero. 

I'm just saying I really don't trust the politicians to vote on what is best for the people rather than their own pockets.

Incidently, Can you make and sell alcohol here without heavy taxes and licenses even 90 years or whatever after prohibition ended? My point is the incrementalism doesn't lead to freedom. It just swells the gubmit by feeding it more tax money.

Maybe it will turn out differently down there. I hope I'm wrong.
I'm fairly sure it will turn out differently down there, as they are more interested in saving money and reducing crime than in hassling people.

Furthermore, it is clear to me that the US repeal of Prohibition was an immense gain to freedom even in the face of the regulations, which I agree are bad. Remember, they had regulation before Prohibition too, and the crime associated with Prohibition was lessened tremendously after its repeal.

(It's Uruguay, not Paraguay, by the way; they are very different.)
Ohhh but they are all Mexicans right?  :P

Thanks for the correction.