Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:51 pm
Another mass exit (percentage-wise) from PERM today. Market cap went from 19 M to 15 M.
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Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:38 pm
Someone at PERM needs to say something, otherwise, I'm inclined to believe a craigR about this fund--it's too new to invest in.
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:52 am
Looks like AgAuMoney was right on the stock picking versus index for the stock portion.
The marketing page for Perm has it listed as indexed but the total holdings show stock picking took place.
From the website they talk about indexing
Global X Permanent ETF
Fund Holdings Data as of 7/5/2013
% of Net Assets Name Identifier Market Price($) Shares Held Market Value($)
10.02 ETFS PHYSICAL GOLD B1VS377 118.58 12,620.00 1,496,416.50
9.99 GOLD BULLION SECURITIES B00FHZ8 116.90 12,758.00 1,491,410.20
7.26 US TBOND 4.375% 11/15/39 912810QD3 1.14 953,000.00 1,083,293.21
6.63 U.S. TREASURY NOTE 912828LZ1 1.03 965,000.00 990,067.81
6.59 U.S. TREASURY NOTE 912828MR8 1.03 952,000.00 983,832.98
6.56 US TBOND 2.625% 12/31/14 912828ME7 1.03 947,000.00 979,626.99
5.79 U.S. TREASURY BOND 912810QK7 1.05 825,000.00 863,930.10
5.74 U.S. TREASURY BOND 912810QE1 1.18 726,000.00 857,587.50
5.64 U.S. TREASURY BOND 912810QH4 1.14 741,000.00 842,308.78
5.28 U.S. TREASURY NOTE 912828MW7 1.04 760,000.00 788,084.28
3.11 VANGUARD SMALL CAP ETF 922908751 96.35 4,822.00 464,599.70
3.04 VANGUARD FTSE ALL-WORLD 922042775 44.41 10,215.00 453,648.15
2.53 ZKB SILVER ETF B6ZNYV4 58.35 6,479.00 378,050.98
2.52 ETFS PHYSICAL SILVER B1VS333 18.22 20,643.00 376,115.46
0.52 EQUITY RES PROP 29476L107 57.36 1,362.00 78,124.32
0.52 SIMON PROPERTY GROUP INC 828806109 159.47 486.00 77,502.42
0.50 GENERAL GROWTH PROP REIT 370023103 20.04 3,757.00 75,290.28
0.50 PUBLIC STORAGE (REIT) 74460D109 152.87 492.00 75,212.04
0.50 PROLOGIS INC. 74340W103 37.50 1,991.00 74,662.50
0.50 AVALONBAY COMMUNITIES 53484101 135.01 552.00 74,525.52
0.49 HCP INC (REIT) 40414L109 44.45 1,658.00 73,698.10
0.49 VENTAS INCORPORATED 92276F100 68.04 1,083.00 73,687.32
0.49 HEALTH CARE (REIT) 42217K106 65.22 1,126.00 73,437.72
0.48 AMERICAN TOWER CORP 03027X100 71.67 1,009.00 72,315.03
0.35 ARCHER-DANIELS-MIDLAND CO 39483102 34.88 1,484.00 51,761.92
0.35 MOSAIC CO/THE 61945C103 53.75 959.00 51,546.25
0.34 ROYAL DUTCH SHELL ADR-A 780259206 63.22 813.00 51,397.86
0.34 EXXON MOBIL COR 30231G102 91.57 555.00 50,821.35
0.34 CHEVRON CORP 166764100 120.51 420.00 50,614.20
0.33 MONSANTO CO NEW 61166W101 98.71 499.00 49,256.29
0.33 BP PLC 798059 6.76 7,226.00 48,881.07
0.32 CIA VALE DO RIO DOCE ADR 91912E105 12.63 3,803.00 48,031.89
0.32 ANGLO AMERICAN PLC B1XZS82 18.13 2,606.00 47,255.45
0.31 BHP BILLITON LTD - ADR 88606108 56.32 822.00 46,295.04
0.31 GLENCORE INTERNATIONAL B4T3BW6 3.83 11,889.00 45,500.04
0.29 POTASH CORP SASK INC 73755L107 38.19 1,145.00 43,727.55
0.29 PETROCHINA CO LTD - ADR 71646E100 113.83 380.00 43,255.40
0.27 WILMAR INTERNATIONAL LTD B17KC69 2.45 16,513.00 40,505.29
0.27 RIO TINTO PLC-ADR 767204100 39.90 1,009.00 40,259.10
0.22 UNITED PARCEL SERVICES 911312106 87.54 371.00 32,477.34
0.21 ORACLE CORP 68389X105 31.20 1,008.00 31,449.60
0.20 QUALCOMM 747525103 60.95 494.00 30,109.30
0.20 MCDONALDS CORP 580135101 99.86 301.00 30,057.86
0.20 ALTRIA GROUP INC. 02209S103 35.49 842.00 29,882.58
0.20 INTL BUSINESS MACHINES CO 459200101 194.93 153.00 29,824.29
0.20 AT&T INC 00206R102 35.83 812.00 29,093.96
0.19 APPLE INC 37833100 417.42 68.00 28,384.56
0.19 SCHLUMBERGER 806857108 74.09 383.00 28,376.47
0.19 UTD TECHNOLGIES 913017109 96.53 291.00 28,090.23
0.19 AMAZON.COM INC 23135106 285.88 98.00 28,016.24
0.19 EBAY INC 278642103 53.85 520.00 28,002.00
0.19 GILEAD SCIENCES 375558103 53.32 525.00 27,993.00
0.19 MASTERCARD INC 57636Q104 595.03 47.00 27,966.41
0.19 HOME DEPOT INC 437076102 78.29 355.00 27,792.95
0.19 COMCAST CORP CLASS A 20030N101 41.70 665.00 27,730.50
0.19 AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL GP 26874784 45.19 613.00 27,701.47
0.19 GOOGLE INC 38259P508 893.49 31.00 27,698.19
0.19 BOEING COMPANY 97023105 104.20 265.00 27,613.00
0.19 US BANCORP 902973304 36.76 750.00 27,570.00
0.19 CVS CORP 126650100 58.64 470.00 27,560.80
0.18 JP MORGAN CHASE & CO. 46625H100 53.99 509.00 27,480.91
0.18 BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY - CL B 84670702 114.96 239.00 27,475.44
0.18 AMERICAN EXPRESS 25816109 76.31 360.00 27,471.60
0.18 BANK OF AMERICA CORP. 60505104 13.06 2,101.00 27,439.06
0.18 3M COMPANY 88579Y101 111.54 246.00 27,438.84
0.18 UNION PAC CORP 907818108 157.48 174.00 27,401.52
0.18 WELLS FARGO CO 949746101 42.07 651.00 27,387.57
0.18 JOHNSON & JOHNS 478160104 87.87 311.00 27,327.57
0.18 UNITEDHEALTH GROUP INC 91324P102 66.17 412.00 27,262.04
0.18 CITIGROUP 172967424 48.53 561.00 27,225.33
0.18 WALT DISNEY COMPANY 254687106 63.82 425.00 27,123.50
0.18 MERCK & CO INC/NJ 58933Y105 47.16 575.00 27,117.00
0.18 COCA-COLA CO 191216100 40.52 669.00 27,107.88
0.18 VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS 92343V104 51.30 528.00 27,086.40
0.18 CISCO SYSTEMS INC 17275R102 24.57 1,099.00 27,002.43
0.18 WAL-MART STORES 931142103 75.21 358.00 26,925.18
0.18 HONEYWELL INTERNATIONAL I 438516106 80.06 336.00 26,900.16
0.18 GENERAL ELECTRIC 369604103 23.24 1,157.00 26,888.68
0.18 GOLDMAN SACHS INC. 38141G104 153.24 175.00 26,817.00
0.18 PEPSICO INC 713448108 80.80 331.00 26,744.80
0.18 MICROSOFT CORP 594918104 34.21 781.00 26,718.01
0.18 VISA INC CLASS A 92826C839 190.79 140.00 26,710.60
0.18 INTEL CORP 458140100 24.06 1,084.00 26,081.04
0.17 AMGEN INC 31162100 97.64 266.00 25,972.24
0.17 PROCTER & GAMBLE CO 742718109 78.34 330.00 25,852.20
0.17 BRISTOL MYERS SQUIBB 110122108 44.18 585.00 25,845.30
0.17 PHILIP MORRIS INTER. 718172109 87.51 291.00 25,465.41
0.17 PFIZER 717081103 27.97 906.00 25,340.82
0.15 ABBVIE INC 00287Y109 42.72 527.00 22,513.44
-0.04 CASH CASH 1.00 -6,340.36 -6,340.36
The marketing page for Perm has it listed as indexed but the total holdings show stock picking took place.
From the website they talk about indexing
But from the holdings section it does look like stock picking took placePassive index exposure: each portion of the Fund does not try to “beat”? an index but rather provides market returns through indexing. The target allocation is also indexed, which avoids the potential risk of the manager taking bets or views on the likelihood of different economic environments.
Global X Permanent ETF
Fund Holdings Data as of 7/5/2013
% of Net Assets Name Identifier Market Price($) Shares Held Market Value($)
10.02 ETFS PHYSICAL GOLD B1VS377 118.58 12,620.00 1,496,416.50
9.99 GOLD BULLION SECURITIES B00FHZ8 116.90 12,758.00 1,491,410.20
7.26 US TBOND 4.375% 11/15/39 912810QD3 1.14 953,000.00 1,083,293.21
6.63 U.S. TREASURY NOTE 912828LZ1 1.03 965,000.00 990,067.81
6.59 U.S. TREASURY NOTE 912828MR8 1.03 952,000.00 983,832.98
6.56 US TBOND 2.625% 12/31/14 912828ME7 1.03 947,000.00 979,626.99
5.79 U.S. TREASURY BOND 912810QK7 1.05 825,000.00 863,930.10
5.74 U.S. TREASURY BOND 912810QE1 1.18 726,000.00 857,587.50
5.64 U.S. TREASURY BOND 912810QH4 1.14 741,000.00 842,308.78
5.28 U.S. TREASURY NOTE 912828MW7 1.04 760,000.00 788,084.28
3.11 VANGUARD SMALL CAP ETF 922908751 96.35 4,822.00 464,599.70
3.04 VANGUARD FTSE ALL-WORLD 922042775 44.41 10,215.00 453,648.15
2.53 ZKB SILVER ETF B6ZNYV4 58.35 6,479.00 378,050.98
2.52 ETFS PHYSICAL SILVER B1VS333 18.22 20,643.00 376,115.46
0.52 EQUITY RES PROP 29476L107 57.36 1,362.00 78,124.32
0.52 SIMON PROPERTY GROUP INC 828806109 159.47 486.00 77,502.42
0.50 GENERAL GROWTH PROP REIT 370023103 20.04 3,757.00 75,290.28
0.50 PUBLIC STORAGE (REIT) 74460D109 152.87 492.00 75,212.04
0.50 PROLOGIS INC. 74340W103 37.50 1,991.00 74,662.50
0.50 AVALONBAY COMMUNITIES 53484101 135.01 552.00 74,525.52
0.49 HCP INC (REIT) 40414L109 44.45 1,658.00 73,698.10
0.49 VENTAS INCORPORATED 92276F100 68.04 1,083.00 73,687.32
0.49 HEALTH CARE (REIT) 42217K106 65.22 1,126.00 73,437.72
0.48 AMERICAN TOWER CORP 03027X100 71.67 1,009.00 72,315.03
0.35 ARCHER-DANIELS-MIDLAND CO 39483102 34.88 1,484.00 51,761.92
0.35 MOSAIC CO/THE 61945C103 53.75 959.00 51,546.25
0.34 ROYAL DUTCH SHELL ADR-A 780259206 63.22 813.00 51,397.86
0.34 EXXON MOBIL COR 30231G102 91.57 555.00 50,821.35
0.34 CHEVRON CORP 166764100 120.51 420.00 50,614.20
0.33 MONSANTO CO NEW 61166W101 98.71 499.00 49,256.29
0.33 BP PLC 798059 6.76 7,226.00 48,881.07
0.32 CIA VALE DO RIO DOCE ADR 91912E105 12.63 3,803.00 48,031.89
0.32 ANGLO AMERICAN PLC B1XZS82 18.13 2,606.00 47,255.45
0.31 BHP BILLITON LTD - ADR 88606108 56.32 822.00 46,295.04
0.31 GLENCORE INTERNATIONAL B4T3BW6 3.83 11,889.00 45,500.04
0.29 POTASH CORP SASK INC 73755L107 38.19 1,145.00 43,727.55
0.29 PETROCHINA CO LTD - ADR 71646E100 113.83 380.00 43,255.40
0.27 WILMAR INTERNATIONAL LTD B17KC69 2.45 16,513.00 40,505.29
0.27 RIO TINTO PLC-ADR 767204100 39.90 1,009.00 40,259.10
0.22 UNITED PARCEL SERVICES 911312106 87.54 371.00 32,477.34
0.21 ORACLE CORP 68389X105 31.20 1,008.00 31,449.60
0.20 QUALCOMM 747525103 60.95 494.00 30,109.30
0.20 MCDONALDS CORP 580135101 99.86 301.00 30,057.86
0.20 ALTRIA GROUP INC. 02209S103 35.49 842.00 29,882.58
0.20 INTL BUSINESS MACHINES CO 459200101 194.93 153.00 29,824.29
0.20 AT&T INC 00206R102 35.83 812.00 29,093.96
0.19 APPLE INC 37833100 417.42 68.00 28,384.56
0.19 SCHLUMBERGER 806857108 74.09 383.00 28,376.47
0.19 UTD TECHNOLGIES 913017109 96.53 291.00 28,090.23
0.19 AMAZON.COM INC 23135106 285.88 98.00 28,016.24
0.19 EBAY INC 278642103 53.85 520.00 28,002.00
0.19 GILEAD SCIENCES 375558103 53.32 525.00 27,993.00
0.19 MASTERCARD INC 57636Q104 595.03 47.00 27,966.41
0.19 HOME DEPOT INC 437076102 78.29 355.00 27,792.95
0.19 COMCAST CORP CLASS A 20030N101 41.70 665.00 27,730.50
0.19 AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL GP 26874784 45.19 613.00 27,701.47
0.19 GOOGLE INC 38259P508 893.49 31.00 27,698.19
0.19 BOEING COMPANY 97023105 104.20 265.00 27,613.00
0.19 US BANCORP 902973304 36.76 750.00 27,570.00
0.19 CVS CORP 126650100 58.64 470.00 27,560.80
0.18 JP MORGAN CHASE & CO. 46625H100 53.99 509.00 27,480.91
0.18 BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY - CL B 84670702 114.96 239.00 27,475.44
0.18 AMERICAN EXPRESS 25816109 76.31 360.00 27,471.60
0.18 BANK OF AMERICA CORP. 60505104 13.06 2,101.00 27,439.06
0.18 3M COMPANY 88579Y101 111.54 246.00 27,438.84
0.18 UNION PAC CORP 907818108 157.48 174.00 27,401.52
0.18 WELLS FARGO CO 949746101 42.07 651.00 27,387.57
0.18 JOHNSON & JOHNS 478160104 87.87 311.00 27,327.57
0.18 UNITEDHEALTH GROUP INC 91324P102 66.17 412.00 27,262.04
0.18 CITIGROUP 172967424 48.53 561.00 27,225.33
0.18 WALT DISNEY COMPANY 254687106 63.82 425.00 27,123.50
0.18 MERCK & CO INC/NJ 58933Y105 47.16 575.00 27,117.00
0.18 COCA-COLA CO 191216100 40.52 669.00 27,107.88
0.18 VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS 92343V104 51.30 528.00 27,086.40
0.18 CISCO SYSTEMS INC 17275R102 24.57 1,099.00 27,002.43
0.18 WAL-MART STORES 931142103 75.21 358.00 26,925.18
0.18 HONEYWELL INTERNATIONAL I 438516106 80.06 336.00 26,900.16
0.18 GENERAL ELECTRIC 369604103 23.24 1,157.00 26,888.68
0.18 GOLDMAN SACHS INC. 38141G104 153.24 175.00 26,817.00
0.18 PEPSICO INC 713448108 80.80 331.00 26,744.80
0.18 MICROSOFT CORP 594918104 34.21 781.00 26,718.01
0.18 VISA INC CLASS A 92826C839 190.79 140.00 26,710.60
0.18 INTEL CORP 458140100 24.06 1,084.00 26,081.04
0.17 AMGEN INC 31162100 97.64 266.00 25,972.24
0.17 PROCTER & GAMBLE CO 742718109 78.34 330.00 25,852.20
0.17 BRISTOL MYERS SQUIBB 110122108 44.18 585.00 25,845.30
0.17 PHILIP MORRIS INTER. 718172109 87.51 291.00 25,465.41
0.17 PFIZER 717081103 27.97 906.00 25,340.82
0.15 ABBVIE INC 00287Y109 42.72 527.00 22,513.44
-0.04 CASH CASH 1.00 -6,340.36 -6,340.36
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:11 pm
PERM is up +2.11% today. yee-ha!
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:11 pm
Well, almost everything is up today. Gold is up over 2% and emerging markets are up almost 5%.ozzy wrote: PERM is up +2.11% today. yee-ha!
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:12 am
I am still happy PERM is up today.foglifter wrote:Well, almost everything is up today. Gold is up over 2% and emerging markets are up almost 5%.ozzy wrote: PERM is up +2.11% today. yee-ha!
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:17 pm
Today:
TLT: +1.58%
GLD (and SLV): +0.85%
VTI: +0.15%
SHY: +0.05%
PERM: -0.34%
TLT: +1.58%
GLD (and SLV): +0.85%
VTI: +0.15%
SHY: +0.05%
PERM: -0.34%
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:51 pm
PERM also seems to have such a low trading volume it's still pretty scary.
Global X Permanent ETF (PERM)
-NYSEArca
23.76 Up 0.08(0.34%) 4:00PM EDT
Volume: 100
Avg Vol (3m): 5,470
Global X Permanent ETF (PERM)
-NYSEArca
23.76 Up 0.08(0.34%) 4:00PM EDT
Volume: 100
Avg Vol (3m): 5,470
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:38 pm
PERM +1.65%
Come'on PERM, up, up!
Come'on PERM, up, up!
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:27 pm
PERM +1.85% today!
Re: What's happening to PERM?
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:20 pm
Not surprising. All the components of the PP were up today. Gold and silver rose sharply.ozzy wrote: PERM +1.85% today!