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Re: Cheese?

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:42 pm
by BearBones
Gumby wrote: I think you guys are missing the point. We are generally seeking to improve our health and avoid chronic disease/inflammation. If you have an open mind — which I'm sensing you guys don't — it's fairly easy to listen to your own body in terms of feedback.
No one has said anything about not listening to their bodies, not using common sense, or not being for that which improves their health. The point (that I apparently missed) is simply that I approach seemingly definitive posts about controversial subjects with a certain degree of healthy skepticism, just as I do the wrings of Paul Krugman and other evangelicals who pretend to fully understand the workings of our economy.

BTW, this closed mind is having pastured beef liver, pastured butter, and organic onions for dinner this weekend.

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:27 pm
by Gumby
BearBones wrote:BTW, this closed mind is having pastured beef liver, pastured butter, and organic onions for dinner this weekend.
Me too! You made my day. :) Cheers!

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:30 pm
by smurff
BearBones wrote: BTW, this closed mind is having pastured beef liver, pastured butter, and organic onions for dinner this weekend.
Whoa!  Save some for me! (I bet you thought I wasn't paying attention!)

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:47 am
by Benko
Gumby wrote: I think you guys are missing the point. We are generally seeking to improve our health and avoid chronic disease/inflammation. If you have an open mind — which I'm sensing you guys don't — it's fairly easy to listen to your own body in terms of feedback. I suppose you could call it nutrition-based biohacking.

Since I've started self-experimentating with my diet, I've managed to cure my dandruff, my rosacea, my psoriasis, I reversed my receding gum-line, I improved my mood, my mental clarity, and my immunity has improved dramatically. And I was pretty much in textbook "perfect" health — other than those minor annoyances — before I started experimenting with my diet.

How did I do it? I basically did the opposite of what the government and every mainstream doctor recommends. And the more I did my own research, the more I discovered that the conventional wisdom we've all been taught appears to be heavily influenced by lobbyists in Washington, DC.

To say that we should be "agnostic" with our diet seems misguided. Your body has observable bio-feedback mechanisms. If you find that changing your diet improves those bio-feedback mechanisms (skin, inflammation, mood, mental clarity, immunity, dental health, etc.), that's a good thing.
I'll second listening to your body and e.g. wheat gives me dandruff (as well as nail pitting i.e. small pinpoint indentations in my nails). 

"I reversed my receding gum-line"
That I didn't know was possible--you're actually talking about having your gums grow back or just stop the receeding from getting worse?

"I basically did the opposite of what the government and every mainstream doctor "
Never listen to doctors ;-) or for allah sake the gov't.

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:52 am
by Gumby
Benko wrote:"I reversed my receding gum-line"
That I didn't know was possible--you're actually talking about having your gums grow back or just stop the receeding from getting worse?
I was definitely able to grow back a decent amount of my gums (50%-70% improvement). I can't attribute all of that to diet though. Nutrition was certainly a part of it, but it also required ditching my mainstream toothpaste in favor of something a bit more natural/holistic and some regular oil pulling with coconut oil.

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:42 am
by MachineGhost
notsheigetz wrote: Seems to me our way of thinking is entirely different when it comes to investing.
No it isn't.  The same corrupt crony influences that make Wall Street such a scam and the PP a practical alternative to conventional wisdom also applies to health and diet.  You may not want to believe this is true, but it is the logical continuation of the philosophy.  Browne may have used uncertainty and naive diversification as a selling point for the PP, but this in no way implies that the PP is fuzzy-wuzzy subjective and without an objective theoretical framework.  If it were not for Markowitz and Modern Portfolio Theory that came long before Browne, the PP would not have been conceptually possible.

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:43 pm
by Gumby
Benko wrote:I'll second listening to your body and e.g. wheat gives me dandruff (as well as nail pitting i.e. small pinpoint indentations in my nails).
I'll still eat the occasional pizza, but decreasing my wheat consumption definitely improved by skin.

Wheat (or at least the modern wheat hybrid that is widely commercially produced today) is easily one of the most toxic "edible" plants on the planet. Yet, it took me a few decades to notice the effects of its toxicity. I used to believe that only celiacs and autistic individuals had wheat/gluten sensitivities. Turns out that the overwhelming majority of humans (perhaps >70%) have some kind of sensitivity to wheat/gluten and most people just don't know it.

As I said, I still eat the occasional pizza, but when I notice the slight effects wheat causes, I tend to crave it less and less.

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:13 am
by MachineGhost
My skin will react to whole wheat, but not refined wheat.  My brain reacts to both!  I always assumed the skin reaction was due to the Omega-6 being oxidised, but its quite possible it is the anti-nutrient toxins also.  Does refined wheat have any Omega-6?

Since I've added carbs back to my diet, I'm losing the desire to even eat my gluten-free pizza after working out.  And since the crust does contain grains, millet and sorghum, I'm even less enthused.  I may try and see if I can substitute them with potato flour and plaintain flour.  The oat flour can easily be replaced with almond meal or milk powder since it serves as a protein source.  No rush.

Speaking of raw cheese, check out this latest example of crony capitalism (milk boards are headed up by an unholy alliance of both bureaucrats and corporatists):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqSJKPW9-tA

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:31 am
by dualstow
Read the entire thread, very interesting.

My two cents: I don't want to live in a world without cheese. I grew up in a hick town on Cracker Barrel cheddar & swiss, and now I live in a large American city with a large Italian market and gourmet cheese shops. Yesterday morning,  I spent $12 on a sliver of parmigiano-reggiano and I consider it money well spent. It makes me so happy, it's just got to extend my life.

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:26 am
by Benko
I suppose the other question about the coconut oil is what is it supposed to be doing?  Oil pulling sounds like an ayurvedic (ancient indian as in the country India medicine) technique.  Coconut oil is antibacterial but I'm not sure what other mechanism there might be for benefit in this context.

Re: Cheese?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:31 am
by Gumby
TennPaGa wrote:
Gumby wrote: regular oil pulling with coconut oil.
15-20 minutes (per the wiki link) of swishing oil around in your mouth?  How frequently would you do this?
Once per day before brushing. I got pretty lazy about it though after I started to see improvement. I need to start up again.
Benko wrote: I suppose the other question about the coconut oil is what is it supposed to be doing?  Oil pulling sounds like an ayurvedic (ancient indian as in the country India medicine) technique.  Coconut oil is antibacterial but I'm not sure what other mechanism there might be for benefit in this context.
See: http://oilpulling.com/howoilpullingworks.htm

You can use other oils if you wish. I just prefer to use an oil that I don't mind accidentally eating :) The anti-bacterial properties of coconut oil are a bonus IMO.