Re: Meeting In Person
Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:37 pm
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foglifter can you edit it? I wanted to have other people do it so I can be lazy about this hah.foglifter wrote: Thanks , Greg! This is cool.![]()
Looks like I can. The Edit button is enabled and I was able to get into the editing mode.1NV35T0R (Greg) wrote:foglifter can you edit it? I wanted to have other people do it so I can be lazy about this hah.foglifter wrote: Thanks , Greg! This is cool.![]()
foglifter wrote:Looks like I can. The Edit button is enabled and I was able to get into the editing mode.1NV35T0R (Greg) wrote:foglifter can you edit it? I wanted to have other people do it so I can be lazy about this hah.foglifter wrote: Thanks , Greg! This is cool. :)
I have fond memories of visiting Leiden (or Leyden if you like). Great country, lovely city.Thomas Hoog wrote: Doorn, The Netherlands
Leiden isn't a tourist city, so it must be in your student time ?dualstow wrote:I have fond memories of visiting Leiden (or Leyden if you like). Great country, lovely city.Thomas Hoog wrote: Doorn, The Netherlands
Yes, that's right. I had a Dutch friend at university in the States and he invited me to visit the Netherlands during my semester in London.Thomas Hoog wrote: Leiden isn't a tourist city, so it must be in your student time ?
I'm sure they'll say the same thing about 21st century surgeons someday. :-)My ancestor came from Leiden. He was a surgeon around 1670. Must have been terrible in those days, just cutting of body parts.
I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements. But that's only compared to the past. In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment". My prediction of cocktail party talk of the future:dualstow wrote:Yes, that's right. I had a Dutch friend at university in the States and he invited me to visit the Netherlands during my semester in London.Thomas Hoog wrote: Leiden isn't a tourist city, so it must be in your student time ?
I'm sure they'll say the same thing about 21st century surgeons someday. :-)My ancestor came from Leiden. He was a surgeon around 1670. Must have been terrible in those days, just cutting of body parts.
Disagree. We know people used to use herbal remedies for all kinds of aliments, such as willow bark (from which the ingredient for aspirin is derived) and I don't see or hear too many people poo pooing the wisdom of ancient healers doing the best they could when it actually helped. Usually when people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmful, such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).rocketdog wrote: I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements. But that's only compared to the past. In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment". My prediction of cocktail party talk of the future:
Guest 1: "Can you believe they used to cut people open?! With knives, just like a butcher! And sometimes they'd even remove an internal organ and replace it with one from a dead person! Then they'd sew them back up again with thread as if they were a rag doll! Can you imagine?!"
Guest 2: "I heard they actually used to beam radioactive rays into the patient's body! Can you imagine a doctor intentionally exposing a patient to radiation?!
Guest 3: "I read somewhere that there used to be a huge industry that concocted poisonous anti-cancer substances that had to be injected into people and caused all manner of side-effects and often didn't even work. They called it "chemo-therapy". Can you imagine getting injected with poison in the hopes of curing your cancer?!"
Guest 4: "Yes, it's all true. Poor people in those days must have suffered something awful. Thank goodness for nanobots and gene therapy!"
I don't know about prostate warmers, but I imagine the radioactive pellets and RF therapy used for prostate cancer would be warming.RuralEngineer wrote: people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmful, such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).
And that's why nobody brought up herbal remedies. It wasn't part of the conversation.RuralEngineer wrote:Disagree. We know people used to use herbal remedies for all kinds of aliments, such as willow bark (from which the ingredient for aspirin is derived) and I don't see or hear too many people poo pooing the wisdom of ancient healers doing the best they could when it actually helped. Usually when people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmfulrocketdog wrote: I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements. But that's only compared to the past. In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment".
I think you missed the point, RE. Leeches were helpful in the past. Even the "cutting of body parts" by Gerard's ancestor was helpful in the past. We see them as barbaric now because we have more refined ways to cut. I simply said that in the next century, physicians will look back on our techniques the way we look at bone saws without anaesthesia. So, RocketDog continued with that: chemotherapy is a good example of something that is helpful but also very destructive. As soon as a better way is found, we (or our descendants) will look back on it as barbaric.... such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).
Seeing as how everything you mentioned is actually helpful and the best we can do for ourselves right now I'll be very disappointed in our descendents if they decide to deride us for not having used magic to heal ourselves or a time machine to get advanced tech from the future.
Two points:RuralEngineer wrote:Disagree. We know people used to use herbal remedies for all kinds of aliments, such as willow bark (from which the ingredient for aspirin is derived) and I don't see or hear too many people poo pooing the wisdom of ancient healers doing the best they could when it actually helped. Usually when people mock medical treatments it's when it was blatantly harmful, such as electroshock therapy, blood letting/leeches, or prostate warmers (it's a real thing, check it out some time).rocketdog wrote: I've often pointed out to people that we believe we're living in an "enlightened" age of medical and technological advancements. But that's only compared to the past. In another 100 years, people will be horrified when they find out what used to pass as "medical treatment". My prediction of cocktail party talk of the future:
Guest 1: "Can you believe they used to cut people open?! With knives, just like a butcher! And sometimes they'd even remove an internal organ and replace it with one from a dead person! Then they'd sew them back up again with thread as if they were a rag doll! Can you imagine?!"
Guest 2: "I heard they actually used to beam radioactive rays into the patient's body! Can you imagine a doctor intentionally exposing a patient to radiation?!
Guest 3: "I read somewhere that there used to be a huge industry that concocted poisonous anti-cancer substances that had to be injected into people and caused all manner of side-effects and often didn't even work. They called it "chemo-therapy". Can you imagine getting injected with poison in the hopes of curing your cancer?!"
Guest 4: "Yes, it's all true. Poor people in those days must have suffered something awful. Thank goodness for nanobots and gene therapy!"
Seeing as how everything you mentioned is actually helpful and the best we can do for ourselves right now I'll be very disappointed in our descendents if they decide to deride us for not having used magic to heal ourselves or a time machine to get advanced tech from the future.
And fluoroscopes were the hot new accessory for shoe stores, because you could see how a shoe fit or how it crunched your toes.dualstow wrote: Interesting fact, by the way: when X-rays were first discovered, people used to have themselves subjected to it for hair removal. The practice was quietly abandoned after certain unpleasant side effects began to manifest along with the efficient removal of that unwanted hair...![]()
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