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yankees60 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:06 pm
Smith1776 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:56 am
yankees60 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:02 am Finished watching the 8 part series last night. Consistently excellent from start to finish.

Book to arrive in a week or two. Will read it quite quickly once it arrives. But, maybe, I'll get a nice surprise and it will get to me sooner than then.
I just got a copy too!
I had thought you'd already read it as you were the one who recommended it to me.

And, now that I finished the series I see that is the book to read, given that it is by the Wall Street Journal reporter who wrote the stories in that paper.

The scene with him and his boss going against her legal team, led by famed attorney David Boises, was a classic! Highly entertaining!
I recommended it because I was just deciding to pick it up about at the same time. O0
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Smith1776 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:49 pm
yankees60 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:06 pm
Smith1776 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:56 am
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Finished watching the 8 part series last night. Consistently excellent from start to finish.

Book to arrive in a week or two. Will read it quite quickly once it arrives. But, maybe, I'll get a nice surprise and it will get to me sooner than then.


I just got a copy too!


I had thought you'd already read it as you were the one who recommended it to me.

And, now that I finished the series I see that is the book to read, given that it is by the Wall Street Journal reporter who wrote the stories in that paper.

The scene with him and his boss going against her legal team, led by famed attorney David Boises, was a classic! Highly entertaining!


I recommended it because I was just deciding to pick it up about at the same time. O0


Thanks for doing the research work for me! I implicitly trusted your recommendation and did not find I needed to do any additional research on my own.
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yankees60 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:56 pm
Thanks for doing the research work for me! I implicitly trusted your recommendation and did not find I needed to do any additional research on my own.
Thanks for the vote of confidence! The PP community rocks. 8)
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Smith1776 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:56 am
yankees60 wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:02 am
Finished watching the 8 part series last night. Consistently excellent from start to finish.

Book to arrive in a week or two. Will read it quite quickly once it arrives. But, maybe, I'll get a nice surprise and it will get to me sooner than then.


I just got a copy too!


My copy arrived ahead of schedule on Saturday. Yours?

I had not opened the package but thought it was it and was contemplating bringing it with me to the music festival yesterday. But decided not.

Opened it a few minutes ago and confirmed that I have it. Will start it today at some point.
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yankees60 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:35 pm My copy arrived ahead of schedule on Saturday. Yours?

I had not opened the package but thought it was it and was contemplating bringing it with me to the music festival yesterday. But decided not.

Opened it a few minutes ago and confirmed that I have it. Will start it today at some point.
Yup I've got mine in hand right now! I'm set for some summer reading. 8)
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Smith1776 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:49 pm
yankees60 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:35 pm
My copy arrived ahead of schedule on Saturday. Yours?

I had not opened the package but thought it was it and was contemplating bringing it with me to the music festival yesterday. But decided not.

Opened it a few minutes ago and confirmed that I have it. Will start it today at some point.


Yup I've got mine in hand right now! I'm set for some summer reading. 8)


I read the first chapter a short while ago. Excellent. Have taken care of all other things so it is top priority tonight. Therefore will either finish it tonight or tomorrow at the latest.
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yankees60 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:54 pm
Smith1776 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:49 pm
yankees60 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:35 pm
My copy arrived ahead of schedule on Saturday. Yours?

I had not opened the package but thought it was it and was contemplating bringing it with me to the music festival yesterday. But decided not.

Opened it a few minutes ago and confirmed that I have it. Will start it today at some point.


Yup I've got mine in hand right now! I'm set for some summer reading. 8)


I read the first chapter a short while ago. Excellent. Have taken care of all other things so it is top priority tonight. Therefore will either finish it tonight or tomorrow at the latest.


Finished it last night. OUTSTANDING book. Obviously highly recommended.

It was good I'd first watched the documentary and then the 8 part Hulu series. Gave me the framework to better place all the details in the book.

I may be on the lookout for a more recent book on the matter (the beauty of reading non-fiction books).

However, my next immediate step may be to again watch that documentary as I now have much more background to understand all that is in it.
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glennds wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:57 am
Smith1776 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:21 pm
yankees60 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:43 pm
Thanks! Just bought a delivered paperback version for $6.36. Will read it soon after it arrives.


Let us know what you think of it. O0

The whole story is just so fascinating to me. I often wonder what she's thinking right now.


The way Carreyrou broke the story is a testament to the importance of investigative journalism. The scale of the fraud almost seems proportional to the degree that everyone wanted to believe her story because it was such a good one. Carreyrou was one of very few who asked "what if" and sought proof.

As far as what she's thinking now, I can only speculate, but this behavior is a form of sociopathy. I doubt she feels any remorse or accountability. Total self-interest with no regard for right and wrong would be my guess. The timing and circumstance of her second child's birth is especially reprehensible, or at the very least grossly irresponsible.

It's interesting how in hindsight the black turtlenecks and fake deep voice are obvious signs of something being awry. But at the time, I like most, thought it was just such a good story of innovation, it was just so easy to believe she was some kind of wunderkind.


After reading this from this excellent article you hold to the same view?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/07/busi ... rview.html

At her sentencing hearing in November 2022, she was visibly pregnant with her second child. That baby was born in February. In March, Ms. Holmes’s defense team partly cited her “two very young children” in arguing that she should remain free while appealing her fraud conviction. A Daily Mail headline referred to the baby as a “Last-Ditch Bid for New Trial.”

But, as Ms. Holmes explains it, it’s just bad timing (to put it mildly). She is 39. She fell in love with Mr. Evans in 2017. They did not anticipate that she would be indicted. They did not anticipate that she would be sentenced to 11 years. They always wanted a big family.

“If we let how other people might view that, or what impression someone might make of it dictate how we live our lives, then we’ve lost,” Ms. Holmes said. “Finding your person in the middle of all of this and experiencing that love when you’re going through hell is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever experienced.”


Their toddler, William, recently had a 105-degree fever, the couple said. They raced him to the emergency room. The first thing the attending doctor said was, “You look a lot like that horrible woman.” The doctor added, Ms. Holmes said, “I’m sure you’re a better person than she is.” Ms. Holmes continued, “Then he said, ‘Are you Elizabeth Holmes?’ And I said, ‘Yes,’ and he said, ‘I am so sorry,’ and I said, ‘Don’t be, all you know is what you’ve read.’”

By Billy’s father, William L. Evans’s tally, there are “over 67,600,600” web results on Ms. Holmes, all of them negative, compared with “21 million results, many of which are positive” for Osama bin Laden, figures he wrote in a letter to the court. Ms. Holmes’s mother, Noel, said she stopped cold in a Barnes & Noble when she saw her daughter characterized in a book display as a “paranoid sociopath” who is “devoid of conscience.”

“Everybody got on the train that Elizabeth was evil, and it was great copy, and they took it and ran with it,” Ms. Holmes’s father, Christian, said.
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After reading this from this excellent article you hold to the same view?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/07/busi ... rview.html

At her sentencing hearing in November 2022, she was visibly pregnant with her second child. That baby was born in February. In March, Ms. Holmes’s defense team partly cited her “two very young children” in arguing that she should remain free while appealing her fraud conviction. A Daily Mail headline referred to the baby as a “Last-Ditch Bid for New Trial.”

But, as Ms. Holmes explains it, it’s just bad timing (to put it mildly). She is 39. She fell in love with Mr. Evans in 2017. They did not anticipate that she would be indicted. They did not anticipate that she would be sentenced to 11 years. They always wanted a big family.

Uh huh. So according to the timeline, Theranos was collapsing by 2017 and she was charged with massive fraud by the SEC by March 2018 and indicted by June 2018.
Trial was set for July 2020 but delayed to July 2021 due to Covid. She gets pregnant in 2021 and petitions to delay her trial due to the pregnancy. She's found guilty in January 2022 and announces her second pregnancy in October 2022, gives birth in February 2023.

So compare that timeline to the picture the article paints.
They conceived the second child while awaiting sentencing Vinny. And then petitioned the court to delay her incarceration. That baby was what, four months old when Holmes when into prison? I feel for the two children.
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The one thing that might give me pause on the whole idea of a pregnancy ploy is the fact that she knows she's in her late thirties and was very likely to be put away for many years.

If you're in your late thirties and want to have children, but know you will be in menopause by the time you get out prison, it might be prudent to hurry and have all the kids you want too.
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glennds wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:10 pm
yankees60 wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:51 pm
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After reading this from this excellent article you hold to the same view?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/07/busi ... rview.html

At her sentencing hearing in November 2022, she was visibly pregnant with her second child. That baby was born in February. In March, Ms. Holmes’s defense team partly cited her “two very young children” in arguing that she should remain free while appealing her fraud conviction. A Daily Mail headline referred to the baby as a “Last-Ditch Bid for New Trial.”

But, as Ms. Holmes explains it, it’s just bad timing (to put it mildly). She is 39. She fell in love with Mr. Evans in 2017. They did not anticipate that she would be indicted. They did not anticipate that she would be sentenced to 11 years. They always wanted a big family.




Uh huh. So according to the timeline, Theranos was collapsing by 2017 and she was charged with massive fraud by the SEC by March 2018 and indicted by June 2018.
Trial was set for July 2020 but delayed to July 2021 due to Covid. She gets pregnant in 2021 and petitions to delay her trial due to the pregnancy. She's found guilty in January 2022 and announces her second pregnancy in October 2022, gives birth in February 2023.

So compare that timeline to the picture the article paints.
They conceived the second child while awaiting sentencing Vinny. And then petitioned the court to delay her incarceration. That baby was what, four months old when Holmes when into prison? I feel for the two children.


Did you read the entire (excellent) article? The journalist was totally perplexed with the person in trying to reconcile who Elizabeth Holmes was on the record as person in her public / business life and who the journalist was encountering as a person.

With the child being born in February 2023 that puts conception around May 2022.

So by your facts she had already been found guilty prior to the time of conception. But not yet sentenced.

Way back when Prince Charlies married Diana I questioned it to someone, citing the vast age difference between the two. The wiser person who I said this to responded that one never knows what love can result in.

From reading that article I'm currently believing that this was the case with Elizabeth and her husband. Love trumped the realities.

Those two children still have an un-incarcerated father who is quite wealthy. Many two children in this world and in this country have it a lot worse than these two children.
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Smith1776 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:00 am
The one thing that might give me pause on the whole idea of a pregnancy ploy is the fact that she knows she's in her late thirties and was very likely to be put away for many years.

If you're in your late thirties and want to have children, but know you will be in menopause by the time you get out prison, it might be prudent to hurry and have all the kids you want too.


Possibly. But I'm going by that they just did it without regard to the future consequences or possibilities.
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yankees60 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:22 am
Smith1776 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:00 am The one thing that might give me pause on the whole idea of a pregnancy ploy is the fact that she knows she's in her late thirties and was very likely to be put away for many years.

If you're in your late thirties and want to have children, but know you will be in menopause by the time you get out prison, it might be prudent to hurry and have all the kids you want too.
Possibly. But I'm going by that they just did it without regard to the future consequences or possibilities.
Yeah that's likely a good stance to take.

Elizabeth Holmes now rivals Ross Ulbricht as the two figures in prison that fascinate me the most.

I guess there was also ted kaczynski...
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Smith1776 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:27 pm
yankees60 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:22 am
Smith1776 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:00 am
The one thing that might give me pause on the whole idea of a pregnancy ploy is the fact that she knows she's in her late thirties and was very likely to be put away for many years.

If you're in your late thirties and want to have children, but know you will be in menopause by the time you get out prison, it might be prudent to hurry and have all the kids you want too.


Possibly. But I'm going by that they just did it without regard to the future consequences or possibilities.


Yeah that's likely a good stance to take.

Elizabeth Holmes now rivals Ross Ulbricht as the two figures in prison that fascinate me the most.

I guess there was also ted kaczynski...


You starting this topic brought her to the forefront of my attention which led to watching the documentary, the 8 part Hulu series, reading the book and then, again, watching the documentary. Reading the Wikipedia entries on both her and the company.

But with her now in prison and that seemingly being the end of the story ..... unless another book is recommended ... that could be the end of it for me.
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yankees60 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:41 am You starting this topic brought her to the forefront of my attention which led to watching the documentary, the 8 part Hulu series, reading the book and then, again, watching the documentary. Reading the Wikipedia entries on both her and the company.

But with her now in prison and that seemingly being the end of the story ..... unless another book is recommended ... that could be the end of it for me.
Likely the end of it for me, too. I think the saga is pretty much over.. at least for now. I'd say that if there's more to this episode in the immediate future it's likely Elizabeth Holmes being a suicide risk. Falls from grace of this magnitude tend to illicit that type of risk. Not that I'm wishing that upon her of course.

Who knows, maybe she will have an epic redemption arc. Maybe when she gets out of prison she will launch a new company and her second act in life will truly live up to the billing.

Steve Jobs certainly had a somewhat analogous story (although he obviously never went to jail). There was literally a book called iCon Steve Jobs: The Greatest Second Act in the History of Business (emphasis mine). Maybe her likeness to Steve Jobs will be closer than she even thought.
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Smith1776 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:57 pm
yankees60 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:41 am
You starting this topic brought her to the forefront of my attention which led to watching the documentary, the 8 part Hulu series, reading the book and then, again, watching the documentary. Reading the Wikipedia entries on both her and the company.

But with her now in prison and that seemingly being the end of the story ..... unless another book is recommended ... that could be the end of it for me.


Likely the end of it for me, too. I think the saga is pretty much over.. at least for now. I'd say that if there's more to this episode in the immediate future it's likely Elizabeth Holmes being a suicide risk. Falls from grace of this magnitude tend to illicit that type of risk. Not that I'm wishing that upon her of course.

Who knows, maybe she will have an epic redemption arc. Maybe when she gets out of prison she will launch a new company and her second act in life will truly live up to the billing.

Steve Jobs certainly had a somewhat analogous story (although he obviously never went to jail). There was literally a book called iCon Steve Jobs: The Greatest Second Act in the History of Business (emphasis mine). Maybe her likeness to Steve Jobs will be closer than she even thought.


Just ordered that Jobs book! Had been prior unaware of it.
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yankees60 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:01 pm
Just ordered that Jobs book! Had been prior unaware of it.
I thought it was a really great book. It focuses more on business success, as the title implies. It's a different style and tone from the Walter Isaacson biography. That's usually the one everyone reads, which is a shame because there's plenty of other good Jobs/Apple books out there.
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Smith1776 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:11 pm
yankees60 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:01 pm

Just ordered that Jobs book! Had been prior unaware of it.


I thought it was a really great book. It focuses more on business success, as the title implies. It's a different style and tone from the Walter Isaacson biography. That's usually the one everyone reads, which is a shame because there's plenty of other good Jobs/Apple books out there.


I was one of those "everyone's" who read the Isaacson book. I'm sure that since it was so popular I obtained it cheap from some tag sale or library sale.
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yankees60 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:46 pm I was one of those "everyone's" who read the Isaacson book. I'm sure that since it was so popular I obtained it cheap from some tag sale or library sale.

Me too. I was so excited to read it when it first came out I paid full price!
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