Gyroscopic Investing

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:12 pm**

Kbg wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:31 am Go gold! :-) Up today 1.86% as of now.

I thought it would happen yesterday.
Russia started buying a lot of gold and getting rid of American LTTs.

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:33 pm**

MangoMan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:34 am
Kbg wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:31 am Go gold! :-) Up today 1.86% as of now.
You all missed the bottom!

Actually I nailed it.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9655&start=12

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:42 pm**

Oh, c'mon. Please don't try to associate any world events to gold anymore. Haven't we learned?

Wake me up when we pass $1400.

The bottom. Hah. We'll see.

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:00 pm**

MangoMan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:15 pm
Kbg wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:33 pm
MangoMan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:34 am

You all missed the bottom!
Actually I nailed it.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9655&start=12

Bravo. Where can I subscribe to your newsletter?

My personal and magnanimous generosity to the board. I do have this bridge for sell if you are interested however.

Posted: **Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:01 pm**

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:42 pm Oh, c'mon. Please don't try to associate any world events to gold anymore. Haven't we learned?

Cortopassi is correct. The only reliable indicator of movement in the price of gold is when I buy some. At that point it is assured of going down. Should have kept you all up to date on my purchases (thankfully they are mostly behind us).

But seriously, Harry Browne once talked about 9/11 in one of his podcasts (which I had printed out and was reading in my easy chair) and he was not at all surprised that the price of gold didn't move much in response to that event. His reasoning was that it had no immediate discernible effect on the strength of the USD.

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:34 am**

Here we go again

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:56 am**

Hah.

I AM FINALLY THERE! I just have realized it over the past couple weeks.

I don't give a shit where gold is at. I don't look much at all anymore.

I'd be happy for that sub $1000 price, right around the beginning of Jan please.

Oh and look, the market still goes up. And TLT still goes down. HAH.

If it is dead money, so be it.

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:31 am**

It’s just a rotten investment.

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:26 am**

For now, absolutely! It sucks!

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:55 pm**

Cortopassi wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:56 am Hah.

I AM FINALLY THERE! I just have realized it over the past couple weeks.

I don't give a shit where gold is at. I don't look much at all anymore.

I'd be happy for that sub $1000 price, right around the beginning of Jan please.

Oh and look, the market still goes up. And TLT still goes down. HAH.

If it is dead money, so be it.

So glad I set my allocation to only 10% gold. And my bond durations to intermediate. Thank you Jim Rickards and Schwab's Kathy Jones.

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:04 pm**

ochotona wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:55 pm
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:56 am Hah.

I AM FINALLY THERE! I just have realized it over the past couple weeks.

I don't give a shit where gold is at. I don't look much at all anymore.

I'd be happy for that sub $1000 price, right around the beginning of Jan please.

Oh and look, the market still goes up. And TLT still goes down. HAH.

If it is dead money, so be it.

So glad I set my allocation to only 10% gold. And my bond durations to intermediate. Thank you Jim Rickards and Schwab's Kathy Jones.

Should have been 100% stocks

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:44 pm**

If only they would hurry up with those time machines!

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm**

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:44 pm If only they would hurry up with those time machines!

They did. I mean, they invented them a million years ago, for them. They just don’t feel inclined to visit or help us out here in this time-backwater.

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:27 pm**

dualstow wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:44 pm If only they would hurry up with those time machines!
They did. I mean, they invented them a million years ago, for them. They just don’t feel inclined to visit or help us out here in this time-backwater.

Who can blame them?

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:59 am**

Sure does look like gold is hard tied to the Yuan nowadays, and they just eased:

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economic ... 0TAy4tulA/

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:56 am**

There’s always a reason for this fuckin portfolio to suck.
I don’t care what anyone says but this is the WORST portfolio imaginable. Rotten to the core.

This will fall on deaf ears, but PP investors will have the lowest allocation in Gold and LTT’s when they kick in (if ever). Curse the day I ever read about this portfolio. Must unwind positions.

Gold and LTT’s are down > 10% YTD...that’s worse than any stock declines I’m trying to protect myself from. It’s true, more money is lost trying to mitigate declines in stocks. Might as well hold 100% stocks over this junk.

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:28 am**

buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:56 am Gold and LTT’s are down > 10% YTD...that’s worse than any stock declines I’m trying to protect myself from.

Being frustrated is fine but that statement is factually wrong and will only set you up for even greater disappointment. Stocks have FAR more downside than 10%, so don't let your feelings cloud your judgment. Also, it's a good time to remember that the portfolio as a whole is only down less than 2% YTD. If you really can't handle that, forget 100% stocks -- you shouldn't be investing at all.

As one internet friend to another who has experienced some of your same frustrations at times, I personally think you should seek a new way of approaching life. You're already tremendously wealthy but for some reason are still letting money rule your emotions and upset you on a daily basis. I can guarantee simply changing portfolios isn't going to fix that, so focus on addressing the root cause of your stress rather than putting your investments on a pedestal as the only way out. They're not, and you deserve better!

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:38 pm**

Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:28 am
buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:56 am Gold and LTT’s are down > 10% YTD...that’s worse than any stock declines I’m trying to protect myself from.
Being frustrated is fine but that statement is factually wrong and will only set you up for even greater disappointment. Stocks have FAR more downside than 10%, so don't let your feelings cloud your judgment. Also, it's a good time to remember that the portfolio as a whole is only down less than 2% YTD. If you really can't handle that, forget 100% stocks -- you shouldn't be investing at all.

As one internet friend to another who has experienced some of your same frustrations at times, I personally think you should seek a new way of approaching life. You're already tremendously wealthy but for some reason are still letting money rule your emotions and upset you on a daily basis. I can guarantee simply changing portfolios isn't going to fix that, so focus on addressing the root cause of your stress rather than putting your investments on a pedestal as the only way out. They're not, and you deserve better!

You invest in the GB so at some point realized the PP was sub-optimal else you would still hold 4x25. The 2% loss is irrelevant and not worrisome. What concerns me is continuing to invest in Gold and LTT’s for the foreseeable future since the last decade has been a bust for these assets! The PP is responding like a 100% equity allocation the last couple of weeks with one difference...we didn’t participate in the 300% increase in stocks...well maybe we did with 25% of the allocation. Wow, guess I should be grateful.

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:47 pm**

buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:38 pm What concerns me is continuing to invest in Gold and LTT’s for the foreseeable future since the last decade has been a bust for these assets!

GLD +30%, TLT +56% over the last decade. Not barn-burners, but not busts either. What concerns me is that stocks have been so great since March 2009, they can't keep going indefinitely. Trees do not grow to the sky. A -50% bear market in stocks is not a rare event.

I worry much more about the forward prospects for TLT, actually, than for GLD... if we are indeed in a new secular increasing interest rate cycle. I think Gold has been so mercilessly beaten down so many times, there's not too much more downside, or if there is, the recovery will be short. But stocks and LTT could have a downside measured in multiple years to more than a decade.

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:02 pm**

ochotona wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:47 pm
buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:38 pm What concerns me is continuing to invest in Gold and LTT’s for the foreseeable future since the last decade has been a bust for these assets!
GLD +30%, TLT +56% over the last decade. Not barn-burners, but not busts either. What concerns me is that stocks have been so great since March 2009, they can't keep going indefinitely. Trees do not grow to the sky. A -50% bear market in stocks is not a rare event.

I worry much more about the forward prospects for TLT, actually, than for GLD... if we are indeed in a new secular increasing interest rate cycle. I think Gold has been so mercilessly beaten down so many times, there's not too much more downside, or if there is, the recovery will be short. But stocks and LTT could have a downside measured in multiple years to more than a decade.

I haven’t achieved the 30% returns in Gold nor the 56% in LTT’s. I realize stocks don’t grow to the sky, but don’t be fooled into thinking Gold and/or LTT’s will save you when they fall. If they do, you’d better have 25% in them but I doubt many will.

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:48 pm**

buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:02 pm
ochotona wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:47 pm
buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:38 pm What concerns me is continuing to invest in Gold and LTT’s for the foreseeable future since the last decade has been a bust for these assets!
GLD +30%, TLT +56% over the last decade. Not barn-burners, but not busts either. What concerns me is that stocks have been so great since March 2009, they can't keep going indefinitely. Trees do not grow to the sky. A -50% bear market in stocks is not a rare event.

I worry much more about the forward prospects for TLT, actually, than for GLD... if we are indeed in a new secular increasing interest rate cycle. I think Gold has been so mercilessly beaten down so many times, there's not too much more downside, or if there is, the recovery will be short. But stocks and LTT could have a downside measured in multiple years to more than a decade.
I haven’t achieved the 30% returns in Gold nor the 56% in LTT’s. I realize stocks don’t grow to the sky, but don’t be fooled into thinking Gold and/or LTT’s will save you when they fall. If they do, you’d better have 25% in them but I doubt many will.

Stocks have been on a near decade long tear. How much longer is that going to last? The FED is raising interests rates and bonds are getting killed. This is also pushing the dollar up and keeping a lid on gold. At the moment, my favorite asset is CASH. [Caveat: I do have a small speculative position in silver but I am not expecting that to pop anytime in the near future.]

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:02 pm**

buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:38 pm You invest in the GB so at some point realized the PP was sub-optimal else you would still hold 4x25.

Even if I'm personally happy with the GB that does not mean I was unhappy with the PP. After all, it's still 80% of my portfolio.

I invest the way I do not because it is "optimal" in the good times but because it more than meets my needs even in the bad times. I don't worry about the little things like YTD gold performance because I know I'm set regardless. That peace of mind is the reward for knowing your financial history, intelligently planning ahead, and being smart with expenses.

FWIW, the "aha" moment for me was when I switched gears from stressing about the perfect wealth accumulation plan to solve all of my problems to building a sustainable life without so many problems to begin with. Do that, and eventually you'll look back and wonder why you ever wasted so much energy on things you can't control.

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:19 pm**

buddtholomew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:56 am
This will fall on deaf ears, but PP investors will have the lowest allocation in Gold and LTT’s when they kick in (if ever).

You can rebalance more often so that you're not in the position you described above, but of course that means holding your nose and buying the "worst" assets while watching the best ones rise. Not easy.

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:06 pm**

If I had Budd’s purported portfolio you can be darn sure I would have investigated my investment approach thoroughly. Personally I’ve highlighted the major salient features of the PP three or four times, suggested he look at a portfolio with a lot more cash in it and not to look at component returns.

There is nothing unusual about what is going on right now. I think we all should stop replying to his “bursts.”

Buds is not a troll...but I think feeding his bursts yields the same result.

Posted: **Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:09 pm**

Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:02 pm FWIW, the "aha" moment for me was when I switched gears from stressing about the perfect wealth accumulation plan to solve all of my problems to building a sustainable life without so many problems to begin with. Do that, and eventually you'll look back and wonder why you ever wasted so much energy on things you can't control.

I reached that a few months ago. Would be nicer to have reached it with 10M in the bank, but there nonetheless!

Ahhh, 2% interest on 10M, 200k a year with no thinking. That would be priceless. And I don't care if you tell me inflation is eating away at it.

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