Gyroscopic Investing

moda0306 wrote: Also, words like "grass" and "struggle" sound a lot different than "Martin repeatedly bashing zimmermans head into concrete after sucker punching him."

Leaving these possibilities out is a bit presumptuous.

moda0306 wrote: Also, words like "grass" and "struggle" sound a lot different than "Martin repeatedly bashing zimmermans head into concrete after sucker punching him."

MediumTex wrote: I really hope that no one is seriously suggesting that "fucking punk" is a racial slur.

moda0306 wrote:

MediumTex wrote: I really hope that no one is seriously suggesting that "fucking punk" is a racial slur.

I don't. So we think it was 100% the way he dressed, and the fact that he was black didn't factor into the profiling at all?

Pointedstick wrote:

moda0306 wrote:

MediumTex wrote: I really hope that no one is seriously suggesting that "fucking punk" is a racial slur.

I don't. So we think it was 100% the way he dressed, and the fact that he was black didn't factor into the profiling at all?

If it did, does the fact that Zimmerman's neighborhood was experiencing a crime wave committed by young black men also factor into it?

dualstow wrote: Oh, I just remembered a few more things about GZ's background that were a source of my criticism.
- Was he charged with domestic violence?

dualstow wrote: - Was he relieved of a security guard job for being overzealous?

Simonjester wrote: it doesn't sound to me like GZ was very good at the people/situational skills necessary for somebody doing a neighborhood watch job, but it doesn't mean he was a racist, there is an art to handling it correctly but failing at it doesn't necessarily imply the failure was due to racism if you are in positions where you have to deal with strangers in situations that are potentially volatile you need to make split second assessments and use careful wording/body language etc.. to diffuse the situation, when somebody is presenting with an attitude meant to intimidate, you cant show fear or aggression of your own, without running a risk of escalating the conflict..

Pointedstick wrote:

dualstow wrote: - Was he relieved of a security guard job for being overzealous?

Yes, at age 21 apparently George zimmerman was something of a hothead. He was fired from his security guard job for being too agressive, and that same year, he was charged with assault for pushing a police officer
...

Pointedstick wrote:

moda0306 wrote:

MediumTex wrote: I really hope that no one is seriously suggesting that "fucking punk" is a racial slur.

I don't. So we think it was 100% the way he dressed, and the fact that he was black didn't factor into the profiling at all?

If it did, does the fact that Zimmerman's neighborhood was experiencing a crime wave committed by young black men also factor into it?

Local 6 investigative reporter Tony Piptone asked Corey how the acquittal speaks to the truth.

"Well, the truth came out in the form of every bit evidence and physical evidence and testimony that we were allowed to put on under our rules of evidence," Corey said.

"But he was not guilty," Pipitone responded.

"Well, a jury found him not guilty. We will always know we made every attempt possible under our laws to hold George Zimmerman accountable for his irresponsible and illegal behavior," Corey said.

Pipitone asked how the state can still call it "illegal behavior" when the jury found it was self-defense.

"No, the jury found that we could not prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt," Corey said.

"But he didn't violate the law. He's not a murderer. What is he?" Pipitone asked.

"He is and always will be a man who profiled and tracked an unarmed teenager. He provoked that teenager. What George Zimmerman did after disobeying that dispatcher and getting out of his truck set the entire set of circumstances into motion," Corey said.

"But it wasn't a crime," Pipitone said.

"That alone wasn't a crime. That combined with his mindset, his profiling, him wanting to be the cop, him wanting to apprehend Trayvon, that's what was all against the law," Corey said.

Pointedstick wrote: Piers Morgan is someone I simply cannot watch. There's something about his cloying, smarmy attitude and self-righteous ignorant sense of superiority that just makes me want to throw things at my computer screen.

In the interests of not repeatedly busting my electronics budget, I try to refrain from reminding myself that he exists.

Pointedstick wrote: Piers Morgan is someone I simply cannot watch. There's something about his cloying, smarmy attitude and self-righteous ignorant sense of superiority that just makes me want to throw things at my computer screen.

In the interests of not repeatedly busting my electronics budget, I try to refrain from reminding myself that he exists.

Pointedstick wrote:

dualstow wrote: Oh, I just remembered a few more things about GZ's background that were a source of my criticism.
- Was he charged with domestic violence?

His ex got a restraining order against him for alleged domestic violence. He retaliated with one against her. Both orders were granted, and neither Zimmerman nor his ex were ever charged. Typical Judge Judy situation! 

dualstow wrote: - Was he relieved of a security guard job for being overzealous?

Yes, at age 21 apparently George zimmerman was something of a hothead. He was fired from his security guard job for being too agressive, and that same year, he was charged with assault for pushing a police officer who was questioning his friend about underage drinking. The charges were eventually thrown out when he agreed to go to some kind of anger management program or something.

If you want to talk about race, let's talk about the fact that if Zimmerman had been black, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have thrown those charges away.

moda0306 wrote: The reason for the restraining order was a claim by the woman of domestic violence.

moda0306 wrote: Is there more background into on Martin being a "burglar" besides some jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack?

Found an interesting link here, not sure if it has been posted:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... lary-tool/

Anyway: an intelligent person on the radio suggested that we need to re-examine our racial problems & situation, but perhaps this trial is not the place to do so.

MediumTex wrote: That story is disturbing on far more levels than just Martin being a burglar, though.

AdamA wrote:

MediumTex wrote: That story is disturbing on far more levels than just Martin being a burglar, though.

The more I read about this, the more disturbing it becomes.

The prosecution asked Rachel Jeantel what Trayvon Martin was complaining to her about on the phone, as he walked home.

“That a man just kept watching him,”? she replied.

After the judge overruled a defense objection, the prosecutor continued, “Did you say anything back to him or did he say anything back to you?”?

“Yes,”? Jeantel replied. “I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man — the man looked creepy.”?

“He said the man looked creepy?”? the prosecutor asked.

“Creepy, white, kill-my-neighbors cracker,”? Jeantel replied, and when asked to repeat her testimony a few times, added, “He looked like a creepy ass cracker.”?

“He told me the man was looking at him,”? she added, “so I had to think it might have been a rapist. Might have been a rapist.”?

MORGAN: You felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?

JEANTEL: Yes.

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out?