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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:50 pm
by Libertarian666
mathjak107 wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:31 pm My ex was released yesterday ..she said if they catch it early on there is a three drug cocktail they have been using that has been fairly effective .....she couldn’t breath and talk when she went in on Friday .they gave it to her for a day ....she is home recuperating but feels so much better ......
Do you know what the three drugs are? That could be useful information.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:30 pm
by mathjak107
No. ... she has not been communicating much since she got home so at this point I have no idea .... I will try googling it

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:37 pm
by mathjak107
It looks like a cocktail of hiv and flu drops from what I read....

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:39 pm
by Don
mathjak107 wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:31 pm My ex was released yesterday ..she said if they catch it early on there is a three drug cocktail they have been using that has been fairly effective .....she couldn’t breath and talk when she went in on Friday .they gave it to her for a day ....she is home recuperating but feels so much better ......
Is the three drug cocktail the malaria drug, Zpac, plus zinc?

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:37 pm
by dualstow
This article was written by William McGurn, but I swear it was composed by our own Benko.

Harvard’s China Virus
Some of the same people who fret so loudly about how we refer to Covid-19 are utterly indifferent to this other racial discrimination affecting Chinese-Americans.

Start with the mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio. After Mr. Trump tweeted out a reference to “the China virus” earlier this month, Mr. de Blasio clapped back. Asian-Americans, the mayor thundered, “don’t need you fueling more bigotry.”

If someone fuels bigotry by calling a virus a name accurately derived from its geographic origins, what about a mayor who works overtime to reduce the number of Asian-Americans in his city’s most competitive public high schools, not because they haven’t earned their entry but because they aren’t the right race.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvards-c ... 1585585597

I agree. DiBlasio is the worst. He also encouraged New Yorkers to go out and see a movie at the beginning of this outbreak.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:14 pm
by Smith1776
Have you guys taken the self-isolation/quarantine opportunity to watch National Treasure yet this year?

Better get it done before June 17th (HB's birthday), or you get auto-banned from the forum.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:18 am
by yankees60
How the AMOUNT of the coronavirus you get infected with could decide whether you suffer mild or severe symptoms

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... mailonline

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:34 am
by Smith1776
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/taleb ... 13998.html

Taleb on Coronavirus and the markets:
“The worst thing you can do with insurance is try to time it,” Taleb, a distinguished professor of risk engineering at New York University, said in an interview Monday on Bloomberg Television. “If you don’t have tail insurance, you don’t have a portfolio. Your portfolio is going to blow up.”
;D

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:12 am
by Libertarian666
Smith1776 wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:34 am https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/taleb ... 13998.html

Taleb on Coronavirus and the markets:
“The worst thing you can do with insurance is try to time it,” Taleb, a distinguished professor of risk engineering at New York University, said in an interview Monday on Bloomberg Television. “If you don’t have tail insurance, you don’t have a portfolio. Your portfolio is going to blow up.”
;D
Yes, that seems correct.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 am
by shekels
Smith1776 wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:34 am https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/taleb ... 13998.html

Taleb on Coronavirus and the markets:
“The worst thing you can do with insurance is try to time it,” Taleb, a distinguished professor of risk engineering at New York University, said in an interview Monday on Bloomberg Television. “If you don’t have tail insurance, you don’t have a portfolio. Your portfolio is going to blow up.”
;D
Video for article
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... able-video


He also says "This is the strongest statistical association I've seen w/ respect to the virus. Wear a mask, mandate others to wear masks, & remember that @WHO is criminally incompetent. To repeat:@WHO is criminally incompetent. PS-Don't get into elevators, buses, etc. unless your mask in N95 "

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:28 am
by Mark Leavy
shekels wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 am
He also says "This is the strongest statistical association I've seen w/ respect to the virus. Wear a mask, mandate others to wear masks, & remember that @WHO is criminally incompetent. To repeat:@WHO is criminally incompetent. PS-Don't get into elevators, buses, etc. unless your mask in N95 "
One of the things that I appreciate about Taleb is that he explains his reasoning. He's not saying "wear a mask because it works". He says "wear a mask because it is asymmetric". Meaning that there could be a high likelihood that wearing a mask is a small net negative (it doesn't do anything and it is annoying) versus a small chance that it is hugely positive (It wards off the apocalypse)

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:19 pm
by shekels
Mark Leavy wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:28 am
shekels wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 am
He also says "This is the strongest statistical association I've seen w/ respect to the virus. Wear a mask, mandate others to wear masks, & remember that @WHO is criminally incompetent. To repeat:@WHO is criminally incompetent. PS-Don't get into elevators, buses, etc. unless your mask in N95 "
One of the things that I appreciate about Taleb is that he explains his reasoning. He's not saying "wear a mask because it works". He says "wear a mask because it is asymmetric". Meaning that there could be a high likelihood that wearing a mask is a small net negative (it doesn't do anything and it is annoying) versus a small chance that it is hugely positive (It wards off the apocalypse)
I agree that wearing a mask does not have many negatives.
Except looking different than other store shoppers.
We may be wearing Mask as new Normal if this goes on much longer.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:27 pm
by Tortoise
shekels wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:19 pm We may be wearing Mask as new Normal if this goes on much longer.
Things certainly seem to be moving quickly in that direction:

The CDC is said to be considering asking people to cover their face in public — but would reserve masks for medical workers
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ics-2020-3

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:32 pm
by shekels
Tortoise wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:27 pm
shekels wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:19 pm We may be wearing Mask as new Normal if this goes on much longer.
Things certainly seem to be moving quickly in that direction:

The CDC is said to be considering asking people to cover their face in public — but would reserve masks for medical workers
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ics-2020-3
The CDC must have been stuck in traffic.
What would they say if there were enough masks to go around ?

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:55 pm
by Cortopassi
shekels wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:32 pm
Tortoise wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:27 pm
shekels wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:19 pm We may be wearing Mask as new Normal if this goes on much longer.
Things certainly seem to be moving quickly in that direction:

The CDC is said to be considering asking people to cover their face in public — but would reserve masks for medical workers
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ics-2020-3
The CDC must have been stuck in traffic.
What would they say if there were enough masks to go around ?
Doesn't that top circled group include China, where for sure they wear masks?

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:43 pm
by yankees60
I believe that our Massachusetts governor has announced that all non-essential businesses are to be remained closed through May 4th.

Therefore after just getting that news I was quite surprised when shortly after I went outside to cross my street to get the mail that I had to wait as a total of about eight cars were going by in either direction. There was also someone going by on a bicycle.

I've just officially passed the two week mark of not being in the presence of any other human being or buying any food.

I'm seeing that my not-normal lifestyle has left me well-positioned for much of the aspects of today's life living under this virus.

Vinny

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:46 pm
by Kriegsspiel
Even taking such common-sense precautions as washing hands is often an unaffordable luxury to the half of the population. . . Even seemingly costless social distancing is hard to implement. Our lifestyle is deeply communal, with extended families traditionally sharing the burdens and bounties of life together, eating meals from the same plate.
A virus that ignores borders cannot be tackled successfully like this.
Momentary victory by a rich country in controlling the virus at a national level, coupled with travel bans and border closures, may give a semblance of accomplishment. But we all know this is a stopgap.
It's funny, he seems to be making the opposite argument.
all of Africa’s development partners must ensure that their development aid budgets remain ringfenced and are not diverted to domestic priorities. link
Ahhh.

Coincidentally, I was just thinking that all foreign aid should be diverted to domestic priorities right now.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:58 pm
by dualstow
bleep bloop, I'm a bot. kriegs seems to be quoting from this page:
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quiet, you
If Covid-19 is not beaten in Africa it will return to haunt us all | Free to read      
Only a global victory can end this pandemic, not a temporary rich countries’ win 
https://www.ft.com/content/c12a09c8-6db ... bea055720b

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 pm
by Libertarian666
dualstow wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:58 pm bleep bloop, I'm a bot. kriegs seems to be quoting from this page:
Please use the sharing tools found via the share button at the top or side of articles. Copying articles to share with others is a breach of -
quiet, you
If Covid-19 is not beaten in Africa it will return to haunt us all | Free to read      
Only a global victory can end this pandemic, not a temporary rich countries’ win 
https://www.ft.com/content/c12a09c8-6db ... bea055720b
How about if we require quarantine for travelers from countries that host pandemic illnesses? That should help.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:33 pm
by Libertarian666
Kriegsspiel wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:46 pm
Even taking such common-sense precautions as washing hands is often an unaffordable luxury to the half of the population. . . Even seemingly costless social distancing is hard to implement. Our lifestyle is deeply communal, with extended families traditionally sharing the burdens and bounties of life together, eating meals from the same plate.
A virus that ignores borders cannot be tackled successfully like this.
Momentary victory by a rich country in controlling the virus at a national level, coupled with travel bans and border closures, may give a semblance of accomplishment. But we all know this is a stopgap.
It's funny, he seems to be making the opposite argument.
all of Africa’s development partners must ensure that their development aid budgets remain ringfenced and are not diverted to domestic priorities. link
Ahhh.

Coincidentally, I was just thinking that all foreign aid should be diverted to domestic priorities right now.
Foreign aid to "developing" countries is money down a rathole. All it does is make the rats bigger.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:01 pm
by yankees60
I am just finally viewing the attached that had been sent to me 12 days ago.

Look at the slide on page 5 -- "Keeping the Workplace Safe".

In just 12 days since what is on there feels like it is now ancient history!

There could be some information on some of the slides of value to you regarding what certain new employment laws there are regarding the virus.

Vinny


March 19th Webinar Slides.pdf
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:11 pm
by Tortoise
yankees60 wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:01 pm I am just finally viewing the attached that had been sent to me 12 days ago.
[...]
In just 12 days since what is on there feels like it is now ancient history!
Yup. Yesterday my dad emailed me a coronavirus article written by Dr. Fauci et al. in the New England Journal of Medicine on Feb 26. Over a month ago.

I didn't have the heart to tell him that given how quickly things have been moving and new data has been pouring in each day, a month-old coronavirus article may as well have been written in the Jurassic Era.

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:25 pm
by Hal
Funny how other policies are implemented during the virus.....

https://www.facebook.com/adamseconomics ... 0291107633

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:41 pm
by yankees60
Mark Leavy wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:28 am
shekels wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 am
He also says "This is the strongest statistical association I've seen w/ respect to the virus. Wear a mask, mandate others to wear masks, & remember that @WHO is criminally incompetent. To repeat:@WHO is criminally incompetent. PS-Don't get into elevators, buses, etc. unless your mask in N95 "
One of the things that I appreciate about Taleb is that he explains his reasoning. He's not saying "wear a mask because it works". He says "wear a mask because it is asymmetric". Meaning that there could be a high likelihood that wearing a mask is a small net negative (it doesn't do anything and it is annoying) versus a small chance that it is hugely positive (It wards off the apocalypse)
Another view of Taleb from an emergency room doctor:

"I like Taleb in general, but the whole thing about N95s is so misguided. A. If you're wearing a correctly fitted N95 it's incredibly unpleasant. B. There is no evidence that an N95 is better than a regular plain old surgical mask (which is actually comfortable to wear).



I agree that there is possibly an advantage to wearing a mask vs not wearing a mask. And in Asia it has certainly been well received. The main advantage in my mind is that people are infectious for several days prior to having symptoms, and if everyone is wearing a mask then those people are wearing a mask too, without realizing they are helping to prevent the spread of their ilness.
"

Vinny

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:46 pm
by Kriegsspiel
yankees60 wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:41 pm "I like Taleb in general, but the whole thing about N95s is so misguided. A. If you're wearing a correctly fitted N95 it's incredibly unpleasant.
I've worn them a few times doing house projects and they are not comfortable at all.