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WiseOne wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:41 am ...
This sounds messy but it's how science works. I had read some of the background and thought it unlikely that this drug would prove to be the savior of the epidemic, but I wholeheartedly agreed with running multiple clinical trials to find out...

Great post, WiseOne. I didn't post the research details in this thread, focusing more on the conspiracy, but I read in the piece that Raoult never used a control group and made all kinds of sloppy mistakes. Obviously, that doesn't mean the drug combo is no good. It just means he put less energy into testing than into self-promotion.

(shekels) (imageMacro caption) { It's day 8 of the MSM trying to convince Americans
that hydrochloroquine isn't as safe as dying }

Hey Shekels, I have the cure for cancer. I'm selling pot-bellied pig feces for $2.99 a pound. Don't buy it? Your choice, man, but it's safer than dying of cancer.
I suddenly understand why Pascal's Wager has fooled so many people. It's a clever false premise.

dualstow wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:39 am

WiseOne wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:41 am ...
This sounds messy but it's how science works. I had read some of the background and thought it unlikely that this drug would prove to be the savior of the epidemic, but I wholeheartedly agreed with running multiple clinical trials to find out...

Great post, WiseOne. I didn't post the research details in this thread, focusing more on the conspiracy, but I read in the piece that Raoult never used a control group and made all kinds of sloppy mistakes. Obviously, that doesn't mean the drug combo is no good. It just means he put less energy into testing than into self-promotion.

(shekels) (imageMacro caption) { It's day 8 of the MSM trying to convince Americans
that hydrochloroquine isn't as safe as dying }

Hey Shekels, I have the cure for cancer. I'm selling pot-bellied pig feces for $2.99 a pound. Don't buy it? Your choice, man, but it's safer than dying of cancer.
I suddenly understand why Pascal's Wager has fooled so many people. It's a clever false premise.

When 65 % of Doctors Start prescribing Pigs feces to their own families, then Maybe we could come to a deal.
But 2.99 seems steep right now.
But i warn you the cure for Cancer is not what you are offering. It is Dog Worm Meds..
Also Bitter Apricot Seeds.
Do ask me How I know.

How do you know?

dualstow wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:59 am How do you know?

Well you asked.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... s-n2566582


http://www.rexresearch.com/fenbendazole ... azole.html

for bitter apricot seeds
G. Edward Griffin

So looks like Bacon is still the best thing about Pigs.

shekels wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:11 am for bitter apricot seeds
G. Edward Griffin

I actually read G. Edward Griffin's book on vitamin B17 back around 2007 when I was an avid Ron Paul supporter and a lot deeper into conspiracies. After reading the book, I bought a bag of apricot seeds online and ate some everyday to stave off cancer.

They were a lot more bitter than I expected, so I lost interest after a few weeks. Still don't have cancer. Meh.

WiseOne wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:41 am The whole hydroxychloroquine episode is actually nothing new as far as medicine goes. Something comes up that is promising based on lab and some crappy/anecdotal/observational clinical studies, so you do a clinical trial on it - preferably more than one, so that you can show the results are reproducible. The whole reason you do clinical trials is that the early promise doesn't always pan out.

I agree. And there are times when taking years to run your standard testing protocol to prove or disprove efficacy of a treatment makes sense. But there are also times when it's a ridiculous bureaucratic hurdle that ignores the risk/reward tradeoffs and unnecessarily kills hundreds of thousands of people. IMO, trying an inexpensive and well-known drug in a new way (and under medical supervision) to do anything you can to stop a deadly pandemic falls into the second situation. I'm personally on team Trump on this one.

Tortoise wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:16 am ...
I bought a bag of apricot seeds online and ate some everyday to stave off cancer.
They were a lot more bitter than I expected, so I lost interest after a few weeks. Still don't have cancer. Meh.

Cyanide

Oh sure, it was completely reasonable to allow its use in "compassionate care" situations. That is a long-established, officially recognized way to allow treatments currently being investigated to be given to patients with no other viable alternatives. It's just that you don't know whether it works, and if the patient gets better you can't prove it was due to the medication - because they might have gotten better on their own. That is in fact what the FDA did.

Also, in this case the clinical trials were fast-tracked, and the results shared ahead of peer review. It is an interesting fact that the more effective a treatment is, the fewer patients you need to enroll in the clinical trial. A perfectly adequate study would be no more than 20-30 patients per group, with one or two treatment groups (different doses) vs an untreated group. One NYC hospital can enroll that many in about an hour. It's not like drugs with miniscule benefits that don't show up for years, like statins. That's where you need thousands of subjects across multiple centers, a massive organizing effort, and armies of statisticians.

Tortoise wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:16 am

shekels wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:11 am for bitter apricot seeds
G. Edward Griffin

I actually read G. Edward Griffin's book on vitamin B17 back around 2007 when I was an avid Ron Paul supporter and a lot deeper into conspiracies. After reading the book, I bought a bag of apricot seeds online and ate some everyday to stave off cancer.

They were a lot more bitter than I expected, so I lost interest after a few weeks. Still don't have cancer. Meh.

Yes I know, They are better when taken with a handful of m%m's

I have know people with Cancer and Chemotherapy is no Fun.
You know what some of them Chemicals are?
I will tell you about someone with Breast Cancer went through a year at Chemo.
Cancer Free said the Doctor.
Started taking Apricot Seeds as a Preventive and several years later more Lumps.
Fortunately not Cancer.
So did the seeds work. I Don't know.
But if it happens again they will probably take the little cyanide seeds again.

Tortoise wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:16 am

shekels wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:11 am for bitter apricot seeds
G. Edward Griffin

I actually read G. Edward Griffin's book on vitamin B17 back around 2007 when I was an avid Ron Paul supporter and a lot deeper into conspiracies. After reading the book, I bought a bag of apricot seeds online and ate some everyday to stave off cancer.

They were a lot more bitter than I expected, so I lost interest after a few weeks. Still don't have cancer. Meh.

Have you read or seen G. Edward Griffin's views on The FED? (The Creature From Jekyll Island).
I watched several of the YouTube videos on the subject, I thought they were quite informative.
He also has some on Collectivism, Not as good IMHO.

shekels wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:45 pm Have you read or seen G. Edward Griffin's views on The FED? (The Creature From Jekyll Island).
I watched several of the YouTube videos on the subject, I thought they were quite informative.
He also has some on Collectivism, Not as good IMHO.

Yes, I actually met G. Edward Griffin in person at a talk he gave in 2007/2008 and he signed my copy of The Creature from Jekyll Island.

Very interesting and informative book.

Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:19 pm

Tortoise wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:16 am ...
I bought a bag of apricot seeds online and ate some everyday to stave off cancer.
They were a lot more bitter than I expected, so I lost interest after a few weeks. Still don't have cancer. Meh.

Cyanide

It didn’t kill me, so it must have made me stronger!

Tortoise wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:30 pm

Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:19 pm

Tortoise wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:16 am ...
I bought a bag of apricot seeds online and ate some everyday to stave off cancer.
They were a lot more bitter than I expected, so I lost interest after a few weeks. Still don't have cancer. Meh.

Cyanide

It didn’t kill me, so it must have made me stronger!

Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows! And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

Heh. That movie never gets old. It is forever. I only wish I had watched it when it came out. I thought the title was too girly.

Tortoise wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:29 pm

shekels wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:45 pm Have you read or seen G. Edward Griffin's views on The FED? (The Creature From Jekyll Island).
I watched several of the YouTube videos on the subject, I thought they were quite informative.
He also has some on Collectivism, Not as good IMHO.

Yes, I actually met G. Edward Griffin in person at a talk he gave in 2007/2008 and he signed my copy of The Creature from Jekyll Island.

Very interesting and informative book.

Pretty Cool

Thanks, Pugchief. That first image got me a bit worked up with just how lazy and/or intentionally deceptive the media is today. So the second was a nice chaser that made me spit out my coffee.

Yes, thank you for that, Chief of Pugs (That ranks even higher than King of Spades)
Food for thought/perspective.

LOL, anti-vaxers must be losing their shit right now.

Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:20 pm LOL, anti-vaxers must be losing their shit right now.

Ah... the silver lining in even the darkest cloud.

Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:20 pm LOL, anti-vaxers must be losing their shit right now.

Do those who are anti-vaccine have a certain profile? That is, share certain other beliefs.

Vinny

A few thoughts on this Occasion.

That bra mask girl looks a little bit like the missus.

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:06 am Conspiracy Submission #1,694

The virus is a genetic-guided bomb. We can see that it doesn't affect some people, though they can transmit it to others. This is due to the fact that they don't have the genes that it targets.

Conspiracy Submission #4.213

Now that people in Korea have re-sickened with the virus, it's likely that whoever created it was inspired by herpes and AIDS, where once you get it you can never get rid of it. Honestly, you gotta tip your cap to The Creator. Mengele and the Unit 731 crew eagerly await hob-nobbing with him among the flames.

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:44 pm Now that people in Korea have re-sickened with the virus [...]

I don't buy it yet. For example, this report mentions 116 such cases. Out of how many re-tests? They don't say.

Covid-19 tests don't have 100% accuracy. There are false positives and false negatives. We need to understand the normal statistical range of false positives before we can determine whether 116 is "in the noise" or not.

Please don't ruin this for me.