Election Day/Night Open Thread

[vnatale]

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Some of us just slept through it all last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=611y2uV-bcs

Same dog as the one in your picture?

Are you familiar with the dog "Lassie"?

Vinny

[doodle]

Trump says stop counting where I’m winning but keep counting where I’m losing. Biden says count all the votes regardless. One position is consistent with the principles of democracy. The other is not at all. It’s that basic.

[vnatale]

Trump says stop counting where I’m winning but keep counting where I’m losing. Biden says count all the votes regardless. One position is consistent with the principles of democracy. The other is not at all. It’s that basic.

Sure is!! But what else would you expect from a petulant child a/k/a "current United States president"?

Vinny

[doodle]

Trump says stop counting where I’m winning but keep counting where I’m losing. Biden says count all the votes regardless. One position is consistent with the principles of democracy. The other is not at all. It’s that basic.

It cant possibly be that he wants counting stopped in the places where there are no controls/poor controls on cheating.. he is one of those damned orange people after all...

Then why doesn't Biden do the same? At some point you need to call a spade a spade.

[doodle]

Trump says stop counting where I’m winning but keep counting where I’m losing. Biden says count all the votes regardless. One position is consistent with the principles of democracy. The other is not at all. It’s that basic.

It cant possibly be that he wants counting stopped in the places where there are no controls/poor controls on cheating.. he is one of those damned orange people after all...

Then why doesn't Biden do the same? At some point you need to call a spade a spade.

he is definitely "not doing the same" because cheating helps his numbers.... that would be wrong

Why doesn't Biden stop counting in arizona, or michigan, or nevada where he leads?

[doodle]

i give up...

trump all bad all the time.. his only motive is EVIL..
Biden should be canonized as a saint for just running against him...


i am done being a conservative libertarian ... you just cant fix a world full of people who cant or wont think

rational anarchy here i come...

Trump is a psychopath incapable of leading nation. Is he evil? Only insofar as the consequences that follow from placing himself above everyone else. I don't care if Biden is completely stymied for the next four years. I don't even care for biden.....he could sleep for four years and I'd be fine with it. Trump needs to slither back into his hole and not emerge like he promised he would if he lost.

Rational libertarians don't support demagogues.

[doodle]

Pennsylvania looking mighty close now as well.

[doodle]

rational people can look beyond personality, style and their emotional response to a unpleasant persona.

Nope, it's completely rational to expect your leaders to be honest. To the degree that Biden lies, which he does..it is a fraction of Trump. This election was a referendum on Trump either way...i would have voted for anyone to express my disapproval. Trump is a lying sack of shit and so is the rest of his piece of shit family. Here come the lawsuits....no surprise...he has done this over 3500 times in his career.

[doodle]

rational people can look beyond personality, style and their emotional response to a unpleasant persona.

Nope, it's completely rational to expect your leaders to be honest. To the degree that Biden lies, which he does..it is a fraction of Trump. This election was a referendum on Trump either way...i would have voted for anyone to express my disapproval. Trump is a lying sack of shit and so is the rest of his piece of shit family. Here come the lawsuits....no surprise...he has done this over 3500 times in his career.

THIS is closing in on 100% wrong... a rational person expects that their leaders are all lying sacks of shit out to enrich themselves and their family's, expand their powers and screw over the people that they are supposed to represent, it is the fundamental raison d'être for the American system of government, and a failure to understand it is a major reason statist, communists and socialists think that expanding government can work..

That's why it's important for citizens in a democracy to hold their leaders accountable for being lying sacks of shit. Except many of us have been brainwashed into being partisan hacks. And that's a horseshit statement on leaders. There are leaders throughout our society and in no case is it acceptable for them to behave like Donald Trump...not a coach, not a teacher, not a boss, or a city council member. You need to raise your standards.

[doodle]

Anyways, what's the difference between lying and cheating? Both are dishonest behavior. So take it easy and let Biden cheat his way to victory....the system will protect us.

[vnatale]

Every vital question of state will be merged in the question, “Who will be the next President?”

—Alexander Hamilton

[doodle]

again... policy, policy, policy, i only have two lying sacks of shit to choose from (shit sandwich and giant douche ) so why pick the worst of the two? if you discount "feels" by every metric , policy, lack of criminality, and performance trump is the better choice,

also you may be suffering from recency bias, i think a look back at presidential history you would discover that there were far more assholes, jerks and presidents/elected officials who behaved worse than trump does. trump is only extreme by the standards of our lifetime not by the standards of American politics as a whole..

Not in recent memory....or in my lifetime. I have never voted until this election. Biden might be a stale moldy sandwich.....Trump is a shit sandwich with an extra large side of diarrhea. He should go back to reality tv where he belongs. His personality fits there.

[doodle]

Yeah, his policies (70%) I agree with...but his personality undermines those so overall a negative. The things he wants to do can't be ramrodded down peoples throats and his personality is so unbearable that it's bound to create more resistance to those policies long term. So rationally speaking from a policy perspective....Biden is better.

[vnatale]

again... policy, policy, policy, i only have two lying sacks of shit to choose from (shit sandwich and giant douche ) so why pick the worst of the two? if you discount "feels" by every metric , policy, lack of criminality, and performance trump is the better choice,

also you may be suffering from recency bias, i think a look back at presidential history you would discover that there were far more assholes, jerks and presidents/elected officials who behaved worse than trump does. trump is only extreme by the standards of our lifetime not by the standards of American politics as a whole..

Not in recent memory....or in my lifetime. I have never voted until this election. Biden might be a stale moldy sandwich.....Trump is a shit sandwich with an extra large side of diarrhea. He should go back to reality tv where he belongs. His personality fits there.

I keep saying he'd be the absolutely perfect person to succeed Rush L in his radio program. Probably the only person alive who could increase the ratings of that radio program. Not that I think that Rush L's radio programs are anything but a net negative to the world.

[vnatale]

Yeah, his policies (70%) I agree with...but his personality undermines those so overall a negative. The things he wants to do can't be ramrodded down peoples throats and his personality is so unbearable that it's bound to create more resistance to those policies long term. So rationally speaking from a policy perspective....Biden is better.

Just started reading a book in the 1948 ("Dewey Beats Truman!") election.

I think you would have liked Harry Truman.

Vinny


That fall of 1946, in meetings with the Democratic National Committee chairman Robert Hannegan, the president expressed his concern over the 1946 elections. Truman found no solace when Hannegan asked him not to campaign for any of the Democrats running for Congress. The less voters saw of Truman, Hannegan said coldly, the better. Around this time Truman wrote a philosophical letter to his daughter, Margaret, in Missouri, which included the following observation:

To be a good President, I fear a man can’t be his own mentor. He can’t live the Sermon on the Mount. He must be Machiavelli . . . a liar, double-crosser . . . to be successful. So I probably won’t be, thanks be to God. But I’m having a lot of fun trying the opposite approach. Maybe it will win.

[vnatale]

Donald Trump, Facing Defeat, Asks Lawyers to 'Pull a Rabbit Out of a Hat'

The Trump Team's Last Glimmer of Hope

BY BILL POWELL AND EMILY CZACHOR ON 11/4/20 AT 6:57 PM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-f ... 4546341480

The morning after one of the closest presidential elections in U..S. history, President Trump's campaign aides were flinging lawsuits at contested states and expressing their confidence with optimistic cliches. The White House and the campaign still insisted the president had a path to victory, despite trailing in the critical Midwest states of Michigan and Wisconsin. As one staffer not authorized to speak on the record told Newsweek, the campaign's multi-state legal strategy could enable them "to pull a rabbit out of a hat"—while acknowledging the effort was a "Hail Mary."

[doodle]

If Trump loses after going through a recount it would be wise to let it go. I don't think he wants to get into frivolous litigation over this. At some point his party will probably turn against him

[vnatale]

If Trump loses after going through a recount it would be wise to let it go. I don't think he wants to get into frivolous litigation over this. At some point his party will probably turn against him

The "tipping point" for that "some point" is the great unknown.

If someone had written a book 20 years ago that described every single bit of the Trump presidency it would have never been published because it would have been rejected as just too unbelievable.

Each time someone read the proposal copy one of their examples of they'd give of unbelievability would be listing all these things Trump had done and that respond with, "Who would ever believe his party did not turn against him after that. And, after that And, after that. And...."


Vinny

[glennds]

If Trump loses after going through a recount it would be wise to let it go. I don't think he wants to get into frivolous litigation over this. At some point his party will probably turn against him

Plus at some point, I think he will become more concerned with preserving his re-election run in 2024. If Biden does get across the finish line and is inaugurated, I can't believe anyone expects Trump to be other than a continuing voice in American politics. And a loud one at that.

On a related note, even if Trump loses this election, the results do reveal that Trumpism is far from dead.

[doodle]

Lol! Trump 2024! It's like WWF....the undertaker back from the dead! Hopefully by then I'll be watching from across some border.

[vnatale]

Lol! Trump 2024! It's like WWF....the undertaker back from the dead! Hopefully by then I'll be watching from across some border.

Imagine how many tweets a day we'd see from him when he is not distracted from even the minimal amount of time he currently is devoting to his presidential duties?

Vinny

[vnatale]

From a former RNC chairman...

Vinny

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[vnatale]

I definitely live in a rural area. The county is 725 square miles (98.5% of it land).

The total population is just over 70,000 with a population density of 97 people per square mile. Seems about right for my neighborhood.

Below are the results for our county. Extreme high turnout - 80%. Looking at that number in conjuction with the population seems to tell me that only about 10% of the population is either ineligible to vote (under 18) or unregistered to vote.

As you can see Trump did not win ONE of the 26 towns.

Some of them were extreme - 10 to 1 against.

Note: some of the towns (including mine) could be termed "bedroom towns" for the University of Massachusetts.

There was no write-in column so I don't know how my Tulsi Gabbard write-in fits in.

My town is highlight in yellow. Trump lost mine by less than a 3-1 margin.

For all the discussion here about splitting into two countries - one city and one rural -- where would mine fit in? Every town in my county would be a solid blue. Have not viewed an overall Massachusetts map to see how much red there is throughout the state.

Vinny

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[Mountaineer]

Where would your town fit? About 100 miles east of Buzzards Bay?

[Cortopassi]

Trump talking in a couple minutes, oh boy is this great!

Animal House reference