Coronavirus General Discussion

Other discussions not related to the Permanent Portfolio

Moderator: Global Moderator

pp4me
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1190
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me »

Cortopassi wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:37 pm Is it really that bad? Or are we all just so used to exaggeration that we speak in these hyperbolic terms all the time?
That's actually an interesting question that I ask myself all the time. I've never taken the end of the world if the other side wins talk very serious and didn't even vote for 3 elections but I'm feeling different this time.

It could be that I'm just getting old or maybe it's the rioters burning buildings and shouting "death to America" that is causing this angst. Not sure which.
WiseOne
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 2692
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:08 am

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne »

Cortopassi wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:01 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:07 pm
But if he is re-elected, the Democrat party will splinter into (at least) two factions: a communist portion and a less insane portion.
This does make sense.

Do you see the same for republicans?
Hasn't the Democratic party already splintered into moderate and socialist/extreme left wings? The socialist wing is dominating the party right now, which makes the choice of Biden (decidedly moderate) as the candidate quite bizarre. Or an attempt to keep moderate Democratic voters from fleeing, I guess.

Something similar happened to the Republicans when they split into Tea Party radicals and moderate wings. It resulted in some prominent party members getting booted out, like Eric Cantor, but overall it wasn't a disaster. But, the Tea Party candidates were not quite as extreme right as the current Democratic socialists are extreme left.
Libertarian666
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 5994
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 6:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 »

WiseOne wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:55 am
Cortopassi wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:01 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:07 pm
But if he is re-elected, the Democrat party will splinter into (at least) two factions: a communist portion and a less insane portion.
This does make sense.

Do you see the same for republicans?
Hasn't the Democratic party already splintered into moderate and socialist/extreme left wings? The socialist wing is dominating the party right now, which makes the choice of Biden (decidedly moderate) as the candidate quite bizarre. Or an attempt to keep moderate Democratic voters from fleeing, I guess.
I can explain the choice of Biden: he is an empty shell into which the radicals can pour whatever they want.
That's why the radicals are okay with him.

And to keep the moderates from fleeing, he doesn't seem threatening, unless you stop and think what it would be like to have an Alzheimer's patient in charge of the nuclear button, which most people won't do.

That's the plan. I don't think it's going to work though, because he is far enough gone and declining too fast for them to keep up the pretense much longer.
User avatar
Xan
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 4400
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Xan »

MangoMan wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:42 am
Cortopassi wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:21 am FYI, I watched a stream of our local high school board meeting. During public comments, about 25 people came up from a group called Reopen D214.

The speakers were articulate and passionate and really gave it to the board about the changing metrics, the issues with remote learning for many students, the lack of socializing, etc.

They made excellent points, esp. considering that in our midst here in suburban Chicago we have all the Catholic schools at least partially in person.

It was good to hear, and hopefully it will actually produce some results.
Don't bet on it. I know lots of teachers, and they are universally against reopening. Some think it's unsafe, some like the reduced workload (same pay, why not?). Although the teacher's union here isn't as powerful as Chicago's, it's still pretty strong. I think the board will have a hard time doing anything unless the union is willing, which they aren't.
If they don't want to work, can't they all be fired and replaced?
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3338
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbL ... sWebb.html

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi »

Xan wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:12 am
MangoMan wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:42 am
Cortopassi wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:21 am FYI, I watched a stream of our local high school board meeting. During public comments, about 25 people came up from a group called Reopen D214.

The speakers were articulate and passionate and really gave it to the board about the changing metrics, the issues with remote learning for many students, the lack of socializing, etc.

They made excellent points, esp. considering that in our midst here in suburban Chicago we have all the Catholic schools at least partially in person.

It was good to hear, and hopefully it will actually produce some results.
Don't bet on it. I know lots of teachers, and they are universally against reopening. Some think it's unsafe, some like the reduced workload (same pay, why not?). Although the teacher's union here isn't as powerful as Chicago's, it's still pretty strong. I think the board will have a hard time doing anything unless the union is willing, which they aren't.
If they don't want to work, can't they all be fired and replaced?
As I understand it, an informal survey shows upwards of 70% of teachers in this area want to go back to school. (I know at least 5 personally that all want to go back)

It's really hard to decipher what's going on. It truly seems a lot of this is driven by liability concerns.

As best I can tell, doing Zoom classes is not reduced workload, it puts more strain and stress on the teachers and hell, they went into this job to teach -- I would not lump them all into the slacker, cool, I get to stay at home, category.

The grade and middle school teachers actually have to show up to schools and teach from there. High school teachers have an option to do from home and about 50/50 split on teaching from home vs. going to the school.
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3338
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbL ... sWebb.html

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi »

MangoMan wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Then why is the union, particularly in the city, so opposed to going back? If 70% favored return, they would just vote to return, and do so.
As I understand the union, you cede your voting to them when you become part of it. They don't have to vote on everything. And any vote, even a majority vote, can be over-ridden by the leadership (I could be 100% wrong, this is what I was told)
MangoMan wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:20 pm Liability of what and to whom? The teachers aren't personally responsible if someone gets sick (viruses run rampant every year) and neither is the union.
The district? Someone will find out some way to sue someone somehow! :-[
User avatar
jalanlong
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 829
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:30 am

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong »

My son started back to elementary school this week as our district reopened. The rules are ridiculous. They have to wear a mask outside at recess. They cannot touch another student at recess or during gym. Gym is just dance routines so they can be apart from each other. They have to wear a mask, AND sit 6 feet apart AND have plastic shields around their desks. Even though my son is autistic I have been told that there are absolutely no exceptions to the mask rule. They must wear it all day every day. If they refuse they are sent home and enrolled in virtual schooling.

They do not leave the classroom except for recess. Lunches are brought to them. Art and music comes to them. They are quarantined to the same room all day except for recess and gym. This is his last year in elementary school. It is supposed to be the year he gets used to the concept of going to 7 different classes in middle school next year. How is he going to do that being quarantined in one classroom this year?

And remember this is Red State Texas!
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3338
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbL ... sWebb.html

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi »

jalanlong wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:05 pm My son started back to elementary school this week as our district reopened. The rules are ridiculous. They have to wear a mask outside at recess. They cannot touch another student at recess or during gym. Gym is just dance routines so they can be apart from each other. They have to wear a mask, AND sit 6 feet apart AND have plastic shields around their desks. Even though my son is autistic I have been told that there are absolutely no exceptions to the mask rule. They must wear it all day every day. If they refuse they are sent home and enrolled in virtual schooling.

They do not leave the classroom except for recess. Lunches are brought to them. Art and music comes to them. They are quarantined to the same room all day except for recess and gym. This is his last year in elementary school. It is supposed to be the year he gets used to the concept of going to 7 different classes in middle school next year. How is he going to do that being quarantined in one classroom this year?

And remember this is Red State Texas!
Interesting. My niece is an elementary teacher in Wheaton, IL, very red, one of the few districts in IL that are open. Much more "normal" rules compared to what you are seeing down there. The lack of consistency on any of this is crazy.
User avatar
jalanlong
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 829
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:30 am

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong »

Cortopassi wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:25 pm
jalanlong wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:05 pm My son started back to elementary school this week as our district reopened. The rules are ridiculous. They have to wear a mask outside at recess. They cannot touch another student at recess or during gym. Gym is just dance routines so they can be apart from each other. They have to wear a mask, AND sit 6 feet apart AND have plastic shields around their desks. Even though my son is autistic I have been told that there are absolutely no exceptions to the mask rule. They must wear it all day every day. If they refuse they are sent home and enrolled in virtual schooling.

They do not leave the classroom except for recess. Lunches are brought to them. Art and music comes to them. They are quarantined to the same room all day except for recess and gym. This is his last year in elementary school. It is supposed to be the year he gets used to the concept of going to 7 different classes in middle school next year. How is he going to do that being quarantined in one classroom this year?

And remember this is Red State Texas!
Interesting. My niece is an elementary teacher in Wheaton, IL, very red, one of the few districts in IL that are open. Much more "normal" rules compared to what you are seeing down there. The lack of consistency on any of this is crazy.
It is inconsistent from district to district. My mother lives 20 mins away but still in the same county. Her district has no masks outside, no plastic shields and they eat in the cafeteria. However, Dallas School District which is about 10 miles from me the other way is still closed until at least October.
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3338
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbL ... sWebb.html

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi »

MangoMan wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 pm
Cortopassi wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:25 pm The lack of consistency on any of this is crazy.
Doesn't that tell you something? If they were using facts and actual science to make these decisions, you would expect relative consistency across the spectrum. Instead, you see the opposite. What possible explanation other than politics could lead to this outcome?
No other answer. I completely agree.

If the (mainly left) could move away from everybody's gonna die and the (mainly right) could move away from it's a load of BS and we could meet somewhere in the middle, that would be the best case.

I am squarely in the middle on this.

--I am pissed off most schools gave up trying to open because it is overblown

--but I am also pissed off Trump has rallies in MI and elsewhere with thousands of people with no distancing and no masks while the rest of us are compelled to do both or face being fined, screamed at or expelled (if a student).
User avatar
Kriegsspiel
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 4052
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel »

Cortopassi wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:01 pm If the (mainly left) could move away from everybody's gonna die and the (mainly right) could move away from it's a load of BS and we could meet somewhere in the middle, that would be the best case.

I am squarely in the middle on this.

--I am pissed off most schools gave up trying to open because it is overblown

--but I am also pissed off Trump has rallies in MI and elsewhere with thousands of people with no distancing and no masks while the rest of us are compelled to do both or face being fined, screamed at or expelled (if a student).
So, you're pissed that schools won't open, AND you're pissed that you're compelled to wear a mask?

Stop fighting it, Corto. [whispering] You're one of us... [/whispering]
You there, Ephialtes. May you live forever.
User avatar
Tortoise
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 2751
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:35 am

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise »

Cortopassi wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:01 pm --but I am also pissed off Trump has rallies in MI and elsewhere with thousands of people with no distancing and no masks while the rest of us are compelled to do both or face being fined, screamed at or expelled (if a student).
Funny thing about that. Remember that recent Trump rally in North Carolina where supposedly almost nobody in the audience was wearing a mask? I recall you posted about it in a different thread. Well, turns out The Hill sent a tweet with that accusation, but the photo they included in the tweet clearly showed that almost everyone in the audience was wearing a red MAGA mask.

As a result, their tweet was massively ratioed and The Hill subsequently deleted it. Oopsie! ;D

Here's the original tweet captured on archive.today:
https://archive.vn/HnQPh
User avatar
vnatale
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 9461
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 pm
Location: Massachusetts
Contact:

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolineho ... bc5719124f

"From Wall Street to the Silicon Slopes, portraits of a frozen spring through the lens of seven photographers.

America, we’ve never seen you like this before. Bustling commercial centers and corporate campuses are barren; main streets and malls are black holes. To stop the spread of infection and “flatten the curve,” nearly everything is shuttered: movie theaters and schools, factories and restaurants, mom-and-pop spots and big box chains. Only the hospitals are buzzing—and the funeral parlors.

Take a look at our empty America through the lens of some our best photographers."
Above provided by: Vinny, who always says: "I only regret that I have but one lap to give to my cats." AND "I'm a more-is-more person."
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3338
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbL ... sWebb.html

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi »

Kriegsspiel wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:33 pm Stop fighting it, Corto. [whispering] You're one of us... [/whispering]
;)

I did vote for him. I liked his fuck you style as a candidate. I liked it for a while as president. I was hopeful he would become "presidential."

I know esp. that tech would call me illogical, but the novelty has worn off long ago. And it really doesn't matter here in IL who I vote for, the state will go to Biden. Thank God for that -- at least we don't get bombarded with ads like I assume all the swing states are right now.

If Trump does win, I can only hope that what tech says does happen, that it just splinters the democrats, and probably even the republicans, and maybe we'll get to some real possibilities of more than the two party system we've lived with.

How would the electoral system handle that? Doesn't seem structured for it. Two rounds?
User avatar
vnatale
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 9461
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 pm
Location: Massachusetts
Contact:

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale »

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... al_twitter

How Mosquitoes Changed Everything

They slaughtered our ancestors and derailed our history. And they’re not finished with us yet
Above provided by: Vinny, who always says: "I only regret that I have but one lap to give to my cats." AND "I'm a more-is-more person."
User avatar
dualstow
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 14280
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:18 am
Location: synagogue of Satan
Contact:

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by dualstow »

Cortopassi wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:58 pm I did vote for <Donald Trump>. I liked his fuck you style as a candidate. I liked it for a while as president. I was hopeful he would become "presidential."

I know esp. that tech would call me illogical, but the novelty has worn off long ago.
...

I’m the opposite. I didn’t vote him (voted for that 3rd party joker, “What’s Aleppo?”) but I have come to accept him, to see through the bombast and realize that I am fine with many of his policies, and to despite the far Lefft.
🍍
User avatar
I Shrugged
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 2064
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged »

This thread has sure had a long run. Can you folks maybe take the presidential election stuff to one of the other threads more closely aligned to that?
:)
User avatar
shekels
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 520
Joined: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:01 am

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by shekels »

Some good info,2nd wave and Casedemic.
Skip ahead if you want to see USA


https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac?t=499
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
WiseOne
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 2692
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:08 am

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne »

That is indeed an excellent video. It's well worth 37 minutes of your time.

It takes only a bit of thought to realize that the unusual way that we diagnose COVID cases, as opposed to other viruses such as the flu, is immensely important to understanding those graphs that state governments are posting to "prove" that we are still in a pandemic. This video presents a compelling case that the pandemic was over and done with in Europe and most of the US by May. What we have now is essentially an epidemic of overdiagnosis. The one thing the video doesn't mention is the over-sensitivity of PCR tests. They detect viral fragments that indicate prior exposure to the virus, whether or not you were symptomatic. It does NOT mean that you are infectious, or that you are harboring any live virus. Because the PCR tests don't report their parameters (i.e. #cycles of amplification), there's no way to judge the proportion of non-infectious cases detected.
User avatar
vnatale
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 9461
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 pm
Location: Massachusetts
Contact:

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale »

In a matter of weeks, Covid-19 spurred seismic shifts in how we work, learn and transact, and it helped usher in a new era that is smarter and fairer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllan ... 74e73b71c1



"Capitalism, the greatest engine for prosperity and innovation ever created, was already under strain before the coronavirus pandemic. Despite a decade of impressive economic growth and job creation, a plurality of Americans still reported feeling as though the system was rigged, that hard work and playing by the rules no longer ensured success. “It is scary when you had the lowest unemployment, the lowest African American unemployment, the lowest Hispanic unemployment, the lowest women’s unemployment,” says Michael Milken, who has sat in the middle of several of these cycles, “and that’s how people felt.”


Those feelings have only accelerated this spring, particularly among the young. At the end of February, during the last week of the pre-Covid era, Forbes surveyed 1,000 American adults under age 30 about capitalism and socialism. Half approved of the former; 43% regarded the latter positively. Ten weeks, 80,000 deaths and 20 million unemployment claims later, we repeated the exercise, and those already dismal results had flipped: 47% now approve of socialism, 46% of capitalism. You can see those changing sentiments playing out in public, as ideas such as universal basic income, rent amnesties and job guarantees move rapidly from the fringe to the mainstream.

Amid the chaos and the disorienting paradigm shifts, though, something profound is also happening: The Invisible Hand is operating on itself with dispatch.

As one of the patron saints of capitalism, Joseph Schumpeter, could tell you, the creation of a new system requires the destruction of the old. So count Milton Friedman’s legacy as another coronavirus casualty. It was already on life support; even the fusty Business Roundtable declared last summer that Friedman’s shareholder-first dogma no longer held sway over its members. The funeral rites can now be witnessed at any grocery store or aboard any UPS truck, where the low-paid heroes previously termed “unskilled workers” are now known, with respect, as essential. Pity the CEO who argues for paying them as little as possible in order to protect the quarterly dividend."


"Not every barrier has an altruistic billionaire willing to ram through it, though, which helps explain why so many, especially Millennials and those in Gen Z, have soured on capitalism’s 21st-century variant. If the current system doesn’t offer them equal opportunity to succeed, promises of more equal outcomes will carry the day. For younger generations to experience America as the land of opportunity, the root inequalities need to be ripped out—now.

That starts with the education system. Getting into college once offered a ticket out, a near-sure path to the upper middle class. Compare today’s debt-laden and rightfully cynical college graduates with the returning heroes of the Greatest Generation, America’s most upwardly mobile, largely courtesy of the G.I. Bill. Service-for-college proposals suddenly abound anew, most notably in Michigan, where Governor Gretchen Whitmer has put forward a “Futures for Front-Liners” initiative that will provide a tuition-free path to a college degree or technical certificate for those who performed essential services during the pandemic.

Even without government intervention, the Invisible Hand is doing its own work. For this entire century, colleges, serving a customer base that could tap endless wells of guaranteed loans, had little incentive to mind costs. With virtual education immediately made universal, the genie is out of the bottle. “A lot of issues can be changed here,” Milken observes. “Do you really need $50,000 a year to get a quality experience?”"
Above provided by: Vinny, who always says: "I only regret that I have but one lap to give to my cats." AND "I'm a more-is-more person."
User avatar
vnatale
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 9461
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 pm
Location: Massachusetts
Contact:

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale »

The inside story behind the pandemic, the CEO and a promising, unproven treatment.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvard ... 1a88ae382e



"In the middle of March, Pfizer chief Albert Bourla beamed into a WebEx video call with the leaders of the American pharmaceutical giant’s vaccine research and manufacturing groups. The two teams had worked late into the night on a robust development plan for Pfizer’s experimental Covid-19 vaccine and told Bourla that they aimed to make it available lightning-fast. It could be ready sometime in 2021.

“Not good enough,” Bourla said. The faces of the researchers tensed up, and conscious of the Herculean effort that had taken place, Bourla made sure to thank them. But he also kept pushing. He asked if people on the call thought the virus might come back in the fall, and what they expected would happen if a vaccine were not available when a new flu season hit at the same time, an issue the federal Centers for Disease Control raised weeks later.

“Think in different terms,” Bourla told them. “Think you have an open checkbook, you don’t need to worry about such things. Think that we will do things in parallel, not sequential. Think you need to build manufacturing of a vaccine before you know what’s working. If it doesn’t, let me worry about it and we will write it off and throw it out.” "


"Bourla’s urgency was evident after a difficult weekend in February when he realized that Covid-19 was not going to be just a problem for China. On a call the following Monday morning, Bourla fired off instructions to Pfizer’s top brass. He told the science executives to make sure the company’s labs remained open, and that Pfizer needed to contribute to a medical solution to the pandemic. “If not us, then who?” Bourla said. He instructed the manufacturing group to make a list of Pfizer’s drugs—including those that treat heart failure and opportunistic bacterial infections—that would be in high demand in a pandemic and make sure they wouldn’t be hampered by production bottlenecks. He then officially informed the board that he was pivoting the company toward Covid-19.

One day in the midst of this retooling, Pfizer director Scott Gottlieb, who used run the FDA, left the company’s Manhattan headquarters, and within hours his fears were coming to pass: Reports were emerging from California indicating community spread in America. That evening Gottlieb posted a Twitter thread: A long fight could be ahead, one requiring shared sacrifice, he said—but partly because of Bourla’s efforts at Pfizer, he could also say that development of vaccines and therapeutics was already underway.

“Albert laid out early why it was so important to put up the enormous resources of Pfizer without an eye toward the business bottom line,” Gottlieb says. “Coming up with a vaccine could change the course of human history. That is literally what’s at stake, and big companies have the ability to scale up manufacturing and run big trials in a way not available to small product developers.” "
Above provided by: Vinny, who always says: "I only regret that I have but one lap to give to my cats." AND "I'm a more-is-more person."
pp4me
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1190
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me »

Good news: Zero deaths in Canada.....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-zer ... irst-time/
Libertarian666
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 5994
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 6:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 »

vnatale wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:25 pm In a matter of weeks, Covid-19 spurred seismic shifts in how we work, learn and transact, and it helped usher in a new era that is smarter and fairer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllan ... 74e73b71c1

"Capitalism, the greatest engine for prosperity and innovation ever created, was already under strain before the coronavirus pandemic. Despite a decade of impressive economic growth and job creation, a plurality of Americans still reported feeling as though the system was rigged, that hard work and playing by the rules no longer ensured success. “It is scary when you had the lowest unemployment, the lowest African American unemployment, the lowest Hispanic unemployment, the lowest women’s unemployment,” says Michael Milken, who has sat in the middle of several of these cycles, “and that’s how people felt.”
Yes, it's amazing how powerful socialistic propaganda can be. It can convince people to believe things that obviously aren't true.
pp4me
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1190
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me »

Libertarian666 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:10 pm
vnatale wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:25 pm In a matter of weeks, Covid-19 spurred seismic shifts in how we work, learn and transact, and it helped usher in a new era that is smarter and fairer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllan ... 74e73b71c1

"Capitalism, the greatest engine for prosperity and innovation ever created, was already under strain before the coronavirus pandemic. Despite a decade of impressive economic growth and job creation, a plurality of Americans still reported feeling as though the system was rigged, that hard work and playing by the rules no longer ensured success. “It is scary when you had the lowest unemployment, the lowest African American unemployment, the lowest Hispanic unemployment, the lowest women’s unemployment,” says Michael Milken, who has sat in the middle of several of these cycles, “and that’s how people felt.”
Yes, it's amazing how powerful socialistic propaganda can be. It can convince people to believe things that obviously aren't true.
I'm not much for religion nowadays but I can see why socialism/communism sees it as an enemy that has to be destroyed. The teaching that "envy" is a sin is completely incompatible with its goals.
Libertarian666
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 5994
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 6:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 »

pp4me wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:23 pm
Libertarian666 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:10 pm
vnatale wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:25 pm In a matter of weeks, Covid-19 spurred seismic shifts in how we work, learn and transact, and it helped usher in a new era that is smarter and fairer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllan ... 74e73b71c1

"Capitalism, the greatest engine for prosperity and innovation ever created, was already under strain before the coronavirus pandemic. Despite a decade of impressive economic growth and job creation, a plurality of Americans still reported feeling as though the system was rigged, that hard work and playing by the rules no longer ensured success. “It is scary when you had the lowest unemployment, the lowest African American unemployment, the lowest Hispanic unemployment, the lowest women’s unemployment,” says Michael Milken, who has sat in the middle of several of these cycles, “and that’s how people felt.”
Yes, it's amazing how powerful socialistic propaganda can be. It can convince people to believe things that obviously aren't true.
I'm not much for religion nowadays but I can see why socialism/communism sees it as an enemy that has to be destroyed. The teaching that "envy" is a sin is completely incompatible with its goals.
Yep.
Post Reply