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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 pm

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Vinny,

Does it ever occur to you that most or all of the books written about Trump may not be exactly unbiased? Does it seem odd to you that all of the media have been against him from the beginning and wrote him off as unelectable (i.e., tried to convince people not to even bother voting for him)? And yet the electorate spoke otherwise. Doesn't that make you think that maybe the powers that be don't want to see him in office for some reason? Is it just that he is unlikable, which even I am willing to admit? Or does it go deeper than that?
No books are probably completely unbiased but some are more objective than others. And, I can tell the difference. The same with media.

And, I don't agree that all the media is as you described. Most presidents would say that the media is against them.

I know that the Republican establishment did not want him in office. That was clear and unquestioned. Well, they did not want him in office during the primaries that was the case. Once it was just him and Hillary, they definitely wanted him.

Finally, why is that the media is always perceived by the right to be so liberal when all the media is owned by conservative corporations?

And, finally, finally there is a completely right TV station known as Fox News plus the right dominates all the talk radio media, having many stars in that arena while I don't think there is either a network of liberal talk radio or any stars in that arena.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:39 pm
vnatale wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 pm
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:11 pm
Vinny,

Does it ever occur to you that most or all of the books written about Trump may not be exactly unbiased? Does it seem odd to you that all of the media have been against him from the beginning and wrote him off as unelectable (i.e., tried to convince people not to even bother voting for him)? And yet the electorate spoke otherwise. Doesn't that make you think that maybe the powers that be don't want to see him in office for some reason? Is it just that he is unlikable, which even I am willing to admit? Or does it go deeper than that?
No books are probably completely unbiased but some are more objective than others. And, I can tell the difference. The same with media.

And, I don't agree that all the media is as you described. Most presidents would say that the media is against them.

I know that the Republican establishment did not want him in office. That was clear and unquestioned. Well, they did not want him in office during the primaries that was the case. Once it was just him and Hillary, they definitely wanted him.

Finally, why is that the media is always perceived by the right to be so liberal when all the media is owned by conservative corporations?

And, finally, finally there is a completely right TV station known as Fox News plus the right dominates all the talk radio media, having many stars in that arena while I don't think there is either a network of liberal talk radio or any stars in that arena.

Vinny
To your point, there are a few people who cover him favorably. The ones I'm familiar with are:
Mark Levin
Sean Hannity
Laura Ingraham
Tucker Carlson
Rush Limbaugh
and some writers on Breitbart.

90+% of the mainstream media is relentlessly attacking him 24/7. This includes:
NBC
ABC
CBS
The Washington Post
The New York Times
CNN
MSNBC

Even Ted Koppel says so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F-cwgMjDs

Here's a report from 2018: https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-he ... es-barrett

And here's one from 2017 by Pew Research, hardly a right-wing outfit, showing over 10x as much negative coverage of Trump as positive.
https://www.journalism.org/2017/10/02/c ... days_c-16/

Those outlets don't even try to claim anymore to be objective when reporting about Trump. They have explicitly thrown in with the Democrat party and the Deep State. The New York Times has even abruptly switched from claiming that there is no Deep State and that anyone who says there is is a conspiracy theory, to celebrating the Deep State as a patriotic endeavor to protect us from Trump: https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/cl ... tate-great

Hope that helps.
I meant to add. And, I did say it elsewhere on another day that many (myself included) have believed that the media has been too EASY on him.

Did you ever stop to think that he is being "attacked" deservedly?

What is the media's motivation for attacking him so undeservedly?

Again, why is this media which is all owned by conservative corporations attacking him so?

Are all these conservative corporations part of the Deep State?

Was the media easy on Bill Clinton during all his Impeachment hearings and during those times?

Why has Trump never had high approval ratings since he has been president? Is this all due to the media's relentless attacks on him?

To me he's the typical bully who bullies continually but then cries and blows in all out of proportion when a tiny bit comes back at him.

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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by stuper1 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:25 pm

Yeah, I would say the term "mutinational globalist corporations" is much more apt than "conservative corporations" to describe who controls the media.

What exactly is a conservative corporation? Corporations are neither conservative or liberal. Corporations just want to make money. The multinational globalist corporations that control the world's media see Trump as standing in their way, mainly because he promised to cut down on immigration. If immigration slows down, which slows down the growth of consumers and cheap labor, then the economic Ponzi scheme starts to collapse.

None of this stuff is rocket science. I'm with Libertarian666 on this. I don't need any books. If I could sit down with Trump for several weeks and peer deep into his heart, then maybe that would help me personally. Who knows? Anything else is just hearsay evidence by sources that I don't know personally either. As many others have said, maybe the best thing about the whole Trump deal is how it has made it so evident that the media are in the pocket of one side (not Democrats really, but just big business) and can't be trusted.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by I Shrugged » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:27 pm

The media viewpoint is "Orange Man Very Bad", and "Why can't the dumbass deplorables see it??? We'll just keep at it until they do".

I never had any use for the guy. More like contempt. Until he shredded the Bush and Clinton dynasties. No matter what else he does, that alone deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.

I suspect he's got a good work ethic. Probably along the lines of work smarter, not harder. He's built a business empire on something more than chutzpah and bombast, things he has a lot of. He's crashed and burned, he's screwed lenders and contract counter-parties, he's started over and built a big business, he's been a reality TV guy, and now he's President of the USA. I don't even think he wanted the job! I think he ran just for self promotion. But good God, he won it and is going scorched earth on the swampers. You go, flawed Orange Man!
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:30 pm

Simonjester wrote:
if you can know a man by the enemies he keeps, and the nature of those who oppose him.. then trump is doing a great job..
he is opposed by
-statist who would endlessly expand the size of government
-neocons on the right and the left who would have permawar
-bureaucrats who think the government is for their benefit, and not by and of the people - for the people
-the corrupt and powerful who would prefer to escape justice and cover up the crimes they commit
-the deep state elite, a mix of the above groups
-the media industrial complex the propaganda arm of the above groups
-the unthinking American, those who believe what the propagandist have drummed into their heads.


i was a skeptical trump voter, but he 1- claimed to be an outsider and 2- was not Hillary!
honestly and much to my surprise, i am not disappointed... (so far :) )


I know this is oftentimes looked upon as an argument of last resort but.....is it true that only 9% of Germans were Nazi's? Then if true, how many groups in Germany were opposed to Hitler? Would it also not have included many of the above groups who you have named?

And, if Trump is NOT re-elected, what permanent changes has he made to thwart any of who you name above? The sign of true effectiveness is making permanent change, not temporarily keeping something at bay.
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i don't think they would oppose Hitler unless the nazi's were in direct competition with their own tyrannical ambitions..
the ideology and goals of the above groups and any tyrant, or would be tyrant (including Hitler) are very close to the same..

as for permanent change ...only time will tell... but if people wake up to the goals and methods of the above groups they are not likely to return to their slumber, and his appointing of judges who will uphold justice and not push these groups political will is huge, with long term beneficial repercussions, the pursuit and defense of liberty is without end, a process of constantly holding its opposition at bay..
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by I Shrugged » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:45 pm

I would say that the permanent change is the illumination of the media, the war party, the crooked intel agencies, and the rest of the swamp. Even if Trump loses next year, the things learned by the public will not be quickly unlearned. I think if you are not partaking in conservative media you are not being exposed to these things. So the depth of this might be a surprise to you.

It is becoming more acceptable to speak out against regime change wars. That's a big deal!!!! It signals an enlightenment taking hold. It didn't happen under Obama. It wouldn't have happened under Jeb, Marco, Ted, or Hillary. Another genie that is out of the bottle.

The GOP is permanently changed. The neocons are being routed, and good riddance! Another big deal!!!
The Dem party is permanently changed. The socialists are ascendant. Again, a big deal.

Eventually this will lead to USexit, a divorce. (I just made that up. Can I copyright it?)
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:18 pm

As I've said a few times, I am generally fine with what he's doing for the most part.

But does he have to be such a dickwad while doing it? Is that a requirement for it to get done?

--He's done nothing about the debt, projected to be more than Obama if he serves another 4 years. In such a roaring economy, we are cutting interest rates. What's actually going on behind the curtain? $5T added to the debt in a "good" economy, more than Obama added in a bad recession.
--Little/nothing about medical monopolies and pricing has been done as far as I can tell, and this is what will destroy this country more than anything else.
--And for all the talk about ending wars, why does he have to increase military spending? Don't tell me at $700 billion+ that Obama was already spending that our military was in bad shape, and now with over $900 billion it is the greatest in the world again.

Is some of this Congress's fault: sure. But he did have majorities for his first couple years and what did we get? A tax cut that put a few extra bucks in my pocket and exploded the debt.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Libertarian666 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:03 pm

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Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:18 pm
As I've said a few times, I am generally fine with what he's doing for the most part.

But does he have to be such a dickwad while doing it? Is that a requirement for it to get done?
It's hard to say, since the previous Presidents haven't had his approach nor his results.

However, I personally think his approach is great, as do many of his other supporters.
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--He's done nothing about the debt, projected to be more than Obama if he serves another 4 years. In such a roaring economy, we are cutting interest rates. What's actually going on behind the curtain? $5T added to the debt in a "good" economy, more than Obama added in a bad recession.
--Little/nothing about medical monopolies and pricing has been done as far as I can tell, and this is what will destroy this country more than anything else.
--And for all the talk about ending wars, why does he have to increase military spending? Don't tell me at $700 billion+ that Obama was already spending that our military was in bad shape, and now with over $900 billion it is the greatest in the world again.

Is some of this Congress's fault: sure. But he did have majorities for his first couple years and what did we get? A tax cut that put a few extra bucks in my pocket and exploded the debt.
His "majorities" had a pretty large slice of Establishment Republicans, not to mention outright traitors like McCain. They didn't give him much of what he asked for.

And as for spending, that's up to Congress, not the President. Let them pass a balanced budget and see if he vetoes it; then we'll know if he's in favor of ever more debt.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by vnatale » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:39 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:03 pm
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:18 pm
As I've said a few times, I am generally fine with what he's doing for the most part.

But does he have to be such a dickwad while doing it? Is that a requirement for it to get done?
It's hard to say, since the previous Presidents haven't had his approach nor his results.

However, I personally think his approach is great, as do many of his other supporters.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:18 pm
--He's done nothing about the debt, projected to be more than Obama if he serves another 4 years. In such a roaring economy, we are cutting interest rates. What's actually going on behind the curtain? $5T added to the debt in a "good" economy, more than Obama added in a bad recession.
--Little/nothing about medical monopolies and pricing has been done as far as I can tell, and this is what will destroy this country more than anything else.
--And for all the talk about ending wars, why does he have to increase military spending? Don't tell me at $700 billion+ that Obama was already spending that our military was in bad shape, and now with over $900 billion it is the greatest in the world again.

Is some of this Congress's fault: sure. But he did have majorities for his first couple years and what did we get? A tax cut that put a few extra bucks in my pocket and exploded the debt.
His "majorities" had a pretty large slice of Establishment Republicans, not to mention outright traitors like McCain. They didn't give him much of what he asked for.

And as for spending, that's up to Congress, not the President. Let them pass a balanced budget and see if he vetoes it; then we'll know if he's in favor of ever more debt.
He LED the way for the most recent tax cuts.

My basic position is if you are going to spend you HAVE to have tax revenues to match that spending, i.e., balanced budget. It's the height of irresponsibility to lower tax revenues to constantly create deficits, particularly as pointed out by Cortopassi it NOT being done during these good economic times.

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Post by Xan » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:54 am

We've had a lot of discussions over the years here about how a balanced budget may not be so good. It seems to cause recessions. The debt of the government is the savings of the private sector. There really isn't a need to "pay back" debt.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:26 am

On the debt, what about the argument about all the interest payments to the private sector?

People have been saying for years that everything implodes if interest rates ever get back up to a "normal" level, because all the govt revenue would be going to service the debt.

So does that mean interest rates will never really rise, until it is an uncontrollable crisis the likes of which we've never seen? And how far can that can be kicked? 2 years, 10 years, 50 years?
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Post by vnatale » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:18 pm

Xan wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:54 am
We've had a lot of discussions over the years here about how a balanced budget may not be so good. It seems to cause recessions. The debt of the government is the savings of the private sector. There really isn't a need to "pay back" debt.
Doesn't want your last two sentences say mimic what the famed liberal Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman maintains? Or, I guess, what he used to say?

http://economiccollapsenews.com/2017/01 ... president/

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Post by vnatale » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:26 pm

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Vinny, it is pretty universally accepted by members of this forum that Krugman is a complete moron.
That is EXACTLY what I expected. Yet he seemed to have the same attitude towards the deficit as just stated here previously. Of which I don't agree. I think that they matter tremendously. I'm forgetting whether or not Harry Browne took a position on this.

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Post by I Shrugged » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:19 pm

Vinny, I am sure HB thought that the debt mattered.

I'm of the opinion that it will end badly. We saw a preview in 09. Supposedly protected creditors were forced by government fiat to step aside while favored groups got bailed out. Some day, sooner or later, the faith of creditors will evaporate beyond the ability of central banks to weave their magic.

But I never forget one of Harry's best sayings. Anything can happen, and nothing has to happen.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:59 pm

“The Republican and Democratic balanced budget proposals are misleading, because they don’t guarantee a balanced budget -- only ‘good intentions.’ I propose an amendment that would limit all federal spending (on-budget and off-budget) to the amount of revenues received in the prior fiscal year.

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Post by Libertarian666 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:22 am

Xan wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:54 am
We've had a lot of discussions over the years here about how a balanced budget may not be so good. It seems to cause recessions. The debt of the government is the savings of the private sector. There really isn't a need to "pay back" debt.
The way that a balanced budget causes recessions is the same way as sobering up causes a hangover.
Another similarity is that continuing the original harmful behavior causes the eventual reckoning to be worse.
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Re: Is Trump doing a good job?

Post by Libertarian666 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:24 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:26 am
On the debt, what about the argument about all the interest payments to the private sector?

People have been saying for years that everything implodes if interest rates ever get back up to a "normal" level, because all the govt revenue would be going to service the debt.

So does that mean interest rates will never really rise, until it is an uncontrollable crisis the likes of which we've never seen? And how far can that can be kicked? 2 years, 10 years, 50 years?
Yes, that's what it means. As to how long they can keep it up, who knows? Timing is always the hardest part of predicting a disaster because the trigger is usually something unpredictable.
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Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:26 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:59 pm
“The Republican and Democratic balanced budget proposals are misleading, because they don’t guarantee a balanced budget -- only ‘good intentions.’ I propose an amendment that would limit all federal spending (on-budget and off-budget) to the amount of revenues received in the prior fiscal year.

- Harry Browne, 1996 link
Another pearl of wisdom from Harry Browne!

Thanks for this..

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Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:27 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:22 am
Xan wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:54 am
We've had a lot of discussions over the years here about how a balanced budget may not be so good. It seems to cause recessions. The debt of the government is the savings of the private sector. There really isn't a need to "pay back" debt.
The way that a balanced budget causes recessions is the same way as sobering up causes a hangover.
Another similarity is that continuing the original harmful behavior causes the eventual reckoning to be worse.
Thoroughly agree with your comment, here.

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Post by jacksonm2 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:29 pm

I believe this is an example of Trump quietly doing exactly what he was elected to do.....

https://vdare.com/articles/national-dat ... hing-right
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Post by ochotona » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:13 pm

Economic Club of NY today: "Trump rails on Fed, notes other countries have negative rates: ‘Give me some of that money’

What a d*ck. Negative interest rates are a tax on savers, a direct wealth transfer from regular people with money in the bank, elderly people relying on fixed incomes, pensions, annuities. Spoken like the real estate serial loan defaulter scumbag Mafioso he is.
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Post by vnatale » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:41 pm

ochotona wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:13 pm
Economic Club of NY today: "Trump rails on Fed, notes other countries have negative rates: ‘Give me some of that money’

What a d*ck. Negative interest rates are a tax on savers, a direct wealth transfer from regular people with money in the bank, elderly people relying on fixed incomes, pensions, annuities. Spoken like the real estate serial loan defaulter scumbag Mafioso he is.
Our economic system seems to be set up to penalize the saver and reward the profligate!

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ochotona wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:13 pm
Economic Club of NY today: "Trump rails on Fed, notes other countries have negative rates: ‘Give me some of that money’

What a d*ck. Negative interest rates are a tax on savers, a direct wealth transfer from regular people with money in the bank, elderly people relying on fixed incomes, pensions, annuities. Spoken like the real estate serial loan defaulter scumbag Mafioso he is.
But if you are the government, how great is it to spend money on stuff without having to pay it back? From the state's perspective, negative interest rates might hurt savers in one pocket, but if they're gonna get a new bridge or a few more years of funding social security without having to raise their taxes or whatever, maybe it's a wash.

Negative interests rates are a tax on savers. Who has the most money saved? Rich people. So negative interest rates are kind of sticking it to the 1% right?

Most of us normal people could avoid investing directly in negative-yielding instruments.
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Post by jacksonm2 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:16 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:25 pm
ochotona wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:13 pm
Economic Club of NY today: "Trump rails on Fed, notes other countries have negative rates: ‘Give me some of that money’

What a d*ck. Negative interest rates are a tax on savers, a direct wealth transfer from regular people with money in the bank, elderly people relying on fixed incomes, pensions, annuities. Spoken like the real estate serial loan defaulter scumbag Mafioso he is.
But if you are the government, how great is it to spend money on stuff without having to pay it back? From the state's perspective, negative interest rates might hurt savers in one pocket, but if they're gonna get a new bridge or a few more years of funding social security without having to raise their taxes or whatever, maybe it's a wash.

Negative interests rates are a tax on savers. Who has the most money saved? Rich people. So negative interest rates are kind of sticking it to the 1% right?

Most of us normal people could avoid investing directly in negative-yielding instruments.
My parents lived on SS + interest on their savings (CD's only) throughout their retirement years. Did pretty well actually, especially when CD's were paying 18% during the first few years of their retirement. Given that ROI during the initial years of retirement is a major factor in the success of a portfolio I'd say they were pretty damn lucky.

ZIRP + medical expenses depleted their nest egg and left me with no inheritance whatsoever which I wasn't really expecting. Was just hoping my sister would get something.

So what will NIRP do to seniors (I am one but I use the PP so it doesn't worry me)?
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Post by WiseOne » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:47 pm

I imagine that the stock market would go wild. People would switch from cash to stocks for the (non-negative) dividends. This kinda did happen after 2009....dividend stocks have been bid up to absurd P/E ratios. Also, holders of long bonds whose price goes through the roof when the interest rates drop would rejoice. I expect gold would tank.

I don't get why Trump is still calling for negative interest rates when the economy and stock market are both looking GOOD. That is just bizarre. Why would the Fed reduce interest rates in this scenario?
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