The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:50 pm
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This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security, and for a century, it was rarely enforced. But since the early 2000s, it has been used to build and sustain a massive immigration detention complex. In 2016, over half of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration violations — more than prosecutions for terrorism, organized crime, hate crimes, or financial fraud
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There's certainly been some hyperbole on the right with regard to immigration. It's not World War Z out there, and it's not like they're gangs of rapists or barbarians at the gate. But, one can't ignore the sheer volume of new immigration, and immigration attempts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ee_numbers

Most of us are the descendants of immigrants and of course if you don't count the original colonists, pretty much all of us are. Can we handle everyone seeking asylum now? Apparently even the processing facilities are overwhelmed. Long-term absorption? I don't know. My Italian buddy says he doesn't go to his city center in northern Italy anymore. There's a lot of immigration and not a lot of assimilation keeping pace there.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:57 pm

dualstow wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:50 pm
...
This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security, and for a century, it was rarely enforced. But since the early 2000s, it has been used to build and sustain a massive immigration detention complex. In 2016, over half of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration violations — more than prosecutions for terrorism, organized crime, hate crimes, or financial fraud
...
There's certainly been some hyperbole on the right with regard to immigration. It's not World War Z out there, and it's not like they're gangs of rapists or barbarians at the gate. But, one can't ignore the sheer volume of new immigration, and immigration attempts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ee_numbers
In some places it might feel more like that than others:

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement says Montgomery County violated its own jail policy last week when it released an undocumented immigrant accused of rape despite an immigration detainer on file." link
"Two undocumented immigrants are accused of raping an 11-year-old girl on different occasions" link
"An illegal immigrant in Maryland is alleged to have crawled into the bed of a teenage girl while she was taking a nap and placed a knife against her throat before proceeding to rape her, according to authorities." link
"Another illegal immigrant has been charged with rape in a Maryland county with an infamous, crime-ridden history as a sanctuary jurisdiction." link
"A Honduran national in the United States illegally has been accused of raping his 15-year-old stepdaughter in suburban Maryland, the seventh such case in the area over the past five weeks." link
"A Nigerian national has been charged in Montgomery County, Maryland, for rape, marking the eighth illegal alien to be charged with rape or another sexual crime in the county since July 25. . . News of the arrest marks the latest rape or sexual charge by an illegal alien in Montgomery County since County Executive Marc Elrich signed a “sanctuary” order in July that largely forbids local authorities from cooperating with federal immigration authorities." link

"Six of the seven people arrested this month for a murder in July in Towson are members of the violent street gang MS-13 and were in the country illegally" link

There's also this site, which tracks sexual assaults of children by illegal immigrants in North Carolina.
My Italian buddy says he doesn't go to his city center in northern Italy anymore. There's a lot of immigration and not a lot of assimilation keeping pace there.
Hey that's not fair, I thought we were only talking about the US here!
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by flyingpylon » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:32 pm

dualstow wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm
Most of us are the descendants of immigrants...
Not sure about anyone else, but my ancestors were legal immigrants, which is a different topic. Why conflate the two?
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:40 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:32 pm
dualstow wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm
Most of us are the descendants of immigrants...
Not sure about anyone else, but my ancestors were legal immigrants, which is a different topic. Why conflate the two?
A valid point. Mine, too. However, the argument can be made that some can’t afford to go the legal route if they want to make it. From our side of it, that does not mean that we should necessarily let them in or put them before those who do apply legally.

My great-grandparents (and one grandparent) had many hardships to overcome both before coming here and after arriving. One side spoke nine languages, but not English. So they learned English. The one grandparent was fleeing persecution. Still, as I’ve written elsewhere, I don’t think everyone fleeing the machetes of Honduras can go the legal route.

it’s not about conflating the two. It’s just very far from the point.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:41 pm

Shoot, I didn’t see your post, kriegs. I’ll have to get to it tomorrow. Handmaid’s Tale awaits...
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:34 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:57 pm
dualstow wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:50 pm
...
This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security,
...
There's certainly been some hyperbole on the right with regard to immigration. It's not World War Z out there, and it's not like they're gangs of rapists
....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ee_numbers
In some places it might feel more like that than others:

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement says Montgomery County violated its own jail policy last week when it released an undocumented immigrant accused of rape despite an immigration detainer on file." link
"Two undocumented immigrants are accused of raping an 11-year-old girl on different occasions" link
"An illegal immigrant in Maryland is alleged to have crawled into the bed of a teenage girl while she was taking a nap and placed a knife against her throat before proceeding to rape her, according to authorities." link
"Another illegal immigrant has been charged with rape in a Maryland county with an infamous, crime-ridden history as a sanctuary jurisdiction." link
"A Honduran national in the United States illegally has been accused of raping his 15-year-old stepdaughter in suburban Maryland, the seventh such case in the area over the past five weeks." link
"A Nigerian national has been charged in Montgomery County, Maryland, for rape, marking the eighth illegal alien to be charged with rape or another sexual crime in the county since July 25. . . News of the arrest marks the latest rape or sexual charge by an illegal alien in Montgomery County since County Executive Marc Elrich signed a “sanctuary” order in July that largely forbids local authorities from cooperating with federal immigration authorities." link

"Six of the seven people arrested this month for a murder in July in Towson are members of the violent street gang MS-13 and were in the country illegally" link

There's also this site, which tracks sexual assaults of children by illegal immigrants in North Carolina.

...
Hey that's not fair, I thought we were only talking about the US here!
Yeah. There’s also the infamous mass street assaults by fresh *legal* immigrants in Germany. (Oops, there I go, venturing out of the U.S. again).

The closer you are to this, the more strongly you must feel. I’m not in El Paso, nor in the hinterlands of Alaska. If any of the above happened to a loved one of mine, I’d throw the statistics out the window. How could I not.

For now, though, I’d like to know the percentage of illegal immigrants who are committing these crimes. I still think most of them are keeping our restaurant industry and other parts of the economy running. (Nonetheless, if I could wave a magic wand, they’d be back home).

I’d also like to see stats on that % relative to the rest of us, we the naturalized and descendants of the naturalized. Maybe moda could make those up find them or already has them.

You never hear about the sharks that swim close to shore and don’t bother anyone. O0
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:43 am

One assault or rape is too many.

But like dualstow says, what's the percentage? Below is a recent yearly total. This happens a lot. Crazy.

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:08 am

A) I have lost my faith in statistics like that. Even one of the cases I linked to, it seemed to me like a chick banged an illegal alien when she was drunk, then regretted it later and claimed he raped her.

and B) since they're illegal aliens, we don't exactly know how many there are, so how can we calculate accurate base rates?
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Yeah. There’s also the infamous mass street assaults by fresh *legal* immigrants in Germany. (Oops, there I go, venturing out of the U.S. again).

The closer you are to this, the more strongly you must feel. I’m not in El Paso, nor in the hinterlands of Alaska. If any of the above happened to a loved one of mine, I’d throw the statistics out the window. How could I not.
The situation I would have referenced is the Muslim rape gangs in northern England, who are legal immigrants as far as I know. As insane as it sounds, it was determined that the police and community knew there was a huge organization of Muslims gang raping and torturing British girls, but they didn't do anything so as to not appear racist, in addition to arresting two fathers who tried to rescue their daughters. That was the backdrop for the arrest of Tommy Robinson for live-streaming outside the courthouse.

Anyways, I say that to make the point that people close to it might not act the way you'd think.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:46 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:08 am
A) I have lost my faith in statistics like that. Even one of the cases I linked to, it seemed to me like a chick banged an illegal alien when she was drunk, then regretted it later and claimed he raped her.
So we have to take the anecdotals with a grain of salt.
B) since they're illegal aliens, we don't exactly know how many there are, so how can we calculate accurate base rates?
I don't know how they get figures even for things like how many people are marching toward a border. Drones and estimations?

re England: yeah, I saw a bit of that article. Very disturbing. I didn't know about the lack of follow-up due to fear of racism allegations. I should do some follow-up reading on that.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:41 pm

MangoMan wrote:
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Now Hasbro has joined the Woke crowd. ::)
Monopoly, the infamous family board game that has ruined friendships for over 80 years, has decided to take a heavy dose of the “woke” pill. Hasbro is debuting a special edition of Monopoly which “celebrates women’s empowerment” by giving female players more money.

Better yet, male players should also have a higher chance of dying while playing, considering that 94 percent of workplace fatalities are male.
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/hasbr ... -than-men/

You can't make this sh!t up.
Monopoly sucks anyway. Only reason we ever played it was because there was absolutely nothing else to do. Life is better.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm

Oh, I loved board games with friends & family in the pre-Internet age. Good times.

The Ms Monopoly version sounds rather insulting though. Giving women extra money for passing Go- how is that empowering? It sounds as antiquated as the term “the weaker sex.”

And what if you’re a non-binary gender fluid person who identifies as a lobster? How much cash for you?

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am

Just wait til the SJWs find out that in Risk you only get 2 armies for South America and 3 for Africa, but 5 for North America and Europe. ;D
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Libertarian666 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:54 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am
Just wait til the SJWs find out that in Risk you only get 2 armies for South America and 3 for Africa, but 5 for North America and Europe. ;D
I'm sure that will be their next target.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by shekels » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:44 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:54 am
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am
Just wait til the SJWs find out that in Risk you only get 2 armies for South America and 3 for Africa, but 5 for North America and Europe. ;D
I'm sure that will be their next target.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:31 am

Another Titania McGrath tweet:
In the event of a house fire:
1) Raise an alarm.
2) Close all the doors.
3) Call the emergency services.
4) Explain to the operator that you only consent to be rescued by a queer woman of colour.
5) Wait.
https://t.co/G9mCtYFcsz?amp=1
Link is to Sun article: "FIRED MAN SAM /PC fire chiefs BAN mascot Fireman Sam because he’s too male and puts women off joining"
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:07 pm

This one's kind of scary.
Take Two Aspirin and Call Me by My Pronouns
At ‘woke’ medical schools, curricula are increasingly focused on social justice rather than treating illness.
There's a paywall (WSJ), but here are some excerpts:
During my term as associate dean of curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania’s medical school, I was chastised by a faculty member for not including a program on climate change in the course of study.
(I accept climate change but, good lord).
A new wave of educational specialists is increasingly influencing medical education. They emphasize “social justice” that relates to health care only tangentially. This approach is the result of a progressive mind-set that abhors hierarchy of any kind and the social elitism associated with the medical profession in particular.
As concerns about social justice have taken over undergraduate education, graduate schools have raced to develop curricula that will steep future educators in the same ideology. Today a master’s degree in education is often what it takes to qualify for key administrative roles on medical-school faculties. The zeitgeist of sociology and social work have become the driving force in medical education. The goal of today’s educators is to produce legions of primary care physicians who engage in what is termed “population health.”
Meanwhile, oncologists, cardiologists, surgeons and other medical specialists are in short supply.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by ochotona » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:44 pm

Biden proved his total cluelessness about healthcare. His implicit assumption is that the cost of HC in the US is somehow a universal constant like the speed of light, and he can't seem to entertain the idea that the entire system is screwed up, which is why we overpay for worse service in this country as compared to other developed countries. In other words, he'd be Aquarius for big pharma, insurance co., hospital chains and defend them as if they were Apple Pie and Motherhood.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:51 pm

Clottin' Eye Joe's dentures fell out when he started to answer a question at some point too. I'll bet he's just kicking himself for not running in 2016.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:04 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:56 pm
1. There a lot of complicated reasons healthcare in the US is more expensive than elsewhere, and fixing it is going to be no easy task if not impossible. Having the government take it over might 'fix' it if you consider making it worse a fix.
Bernie talked again about importing drugs from Canada. A quick search doesn't show many drugs being manufactured in Canada. Seems pretty fucking fishy, as we discussed in the other thread.
2. The other Dem candidates want Medicare for all with no clue how to pay for it, so Biden is the only one that is realistic on the topic in many ways.
Warren, in particular, really seemed to dodge that when Biden kid-punched her personally.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by ochotona » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:16 pm

Importation from Canada really means from India. But I've done it for years (Uloric) and it has worked out fine. I have saved tens of thousands of dollars on this one compound.

My Pravachol from Costco was made in India. Big whooping deal
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:42 pm

Maybe we need a Healthcare News and Views thread.
I woke up from a nap to hear a story about ants feeding on a Vietnam veteran in a V.A. hospital.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:36 am

This is a few days old now, but it’s just good.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by sophie » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:20 am

For people buying drugs from India...here's a pretty scary article to gulp down with your Valsartan:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... st-the-fda

Importing drugs from Canada is a crazy idea. The reason Bernie wants to do it is that Canada's government negotiates prices with the pharmaceuticals, which means they don't pay the market rates charged in the US. Removing the gag order that prevents CMS from doing the same here would be a much more direct and logical approach. The effort currently underway to limit the ability to artificially extend drug patents by tweaking formulations (e.g. the "extended release" dodge) is also quite sensible.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:13 pm

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:26 pm

Please let it be so.
Still, I think this brushfire has a ways to burn.
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