Will Trump be Re-elected?
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Newsflash!
Donald Trump is to blame for everything-- including the leftward lurch of the Democratic Party.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... party.html
Donald Trump is to blame for everything-- including the leftward lurch of the Democratic Party.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... party.html
“Groucho Marx wrote:
A stock trader asked him, "Groucho, where do you put all your money?" Groucho was said to have replied, "In Treasury bonds", and the trader said, "You can't make much money on those." Groucho said, "You can if you have enough of them!"
A stock trader asked him, "Groucho, where do you put all your money?" Groucho was said to have replied, "In Treasury bonds", and the trader said, "You can't make much money on those." Groucho said, "You can if you have enough of them!"
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Heh. I bump into that guy about once a month irl.
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The idea that some dumbass can be elected president of the United States not once but twice is nothing more than a fantasy on a par with the story of Forrest Gump (or some equally fantastical stories in the Holy Bible if you will).
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News item: Mueller has submitted his report.
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The idea that some dumbass can sit and deliver news day-in-day out... blah blah. Same shoe other foot. There are plenty of astoundingly stupid people in politics. Add to that, people have their strengths and weaknesses. That doesn't mean they're not exceptionally corrupt AND dim-witted in some key areas. Trump AND the mainstream media carry massive negative traits considering the positions they hold, many of which have simply to do with their lack of deep knowledge on any important issues, but even more have to do with just being sleazeball opportunists. Both are extremely powerful (but only one has their finger on the button). Any attempt (including liberal ones) to be heavily critical of one but chronically defend the other is ridiculous and I refuse to beat around the bullshit on this issue. We can pat our heads and rub our bellies at the same time.
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Trump's "dumb-ness" seems to be very compartmentalized. His main issue is the complete lack of a brain to mouth filter, and I'm sure he's been told so many times. It's just that he genuinely thinks he doesn't need one. Other than that, I still have a hard time understanding how a genuinely low IQ person could have accomplished what he has. It is likely more of a personality disorder than an IQ problem. I have no wish go down the armchair psychoanalysis path though.
On some level, it's kind of fun to hear the unedited thoughts of someone living in the White House. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure his staff are careful not to feed him too much material. Perhaps the best chance of getting him impeached is his revealing something classified on Twitter.
On some level, it's kind of fun to hear the unedited thoughts of someone living in the White House. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure his staff are careful not to feed him too much material. Perhaps the best chance of getting him impeached is his revealing something classified on Twitter.
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A lack of filter is one thing, which he certainly has, but that doesn't quite include the complete lack of being able to communicate in a coherent, consistent manner or be constrained by facts. George Carlin didn't have a filter. But he communicated very clearly. Trump seems to be suffering from some sort of cognitive decline and/or mental illness. I have a dad who is suffering from mild dimentia and I notice many similarities to how Trump thinks and communicates.WiseOne wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:51 am Trump's "dumb-ness" seems to be very compartmentalized. His main issue is the complete lack of a brain to mouth filter, and I'm sure he's been told so many times. It's just that he genuinely thinks he doesn't need one. Other than that, I still have a hard time understanding how a genuinely low IQ person could have accomplished what he has. It is likely more of a personality disorder than an IQ problem. I have no wish go down the armchair psychoanalysis path though.
On some level, it's kind of fun to hear the unedited thoughts of someone living in the White House. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure his staff are careful not to feed him too much material. Perhaps the best chance of getting him impeached is his revealing something classified on Twitter.
He hasn't "accomplished" much beyond leveraging the vast empire he inherited for some degree of douche-bag celebrity. Man, the kudos people are willing to give to inherited capital interests for simply not blowing all their money is astounding. The man inherited half a billion dollars by the 1990's. This doesn't make him evil or stupid, until he is completely willing to be fraudulent and bombastic about how he has "earned" the money. That degree of unearned confidence is downright dangerous as trigger-man to the largest killing machine in the history of the world, and while the media certainly is "a joke," they don't get to drop bombs. Focusing on "Thuh Mediuh" while giving the blow-hard with his finger on the button a pass is one of the most bombastic double-standards one could assemble when looking at power-politics today.
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I think I posted a video clip over on the religion thread that showed what some kind of lizard had to go through from the moment of birth without any assistance from either parent who were long gone. Basically it was a gauntlet whereby they had to make it past an obstacle of snakes who were working together, equally amazingly, to eat them for their own survival.moda0306 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:31 pmThe idea that some dumbass can sit and deliver news day-in-day out... blah blah. Same shoe other foot. There are plenty of astoundingly stupid people in politics. Add to that, people have their strengths and weaknesses. That doesn't mean they're not exceptionally corrupt AND dim-witted in some key areas. Trump AND the mainstream media carry massive negative traits considering the positions they hold, many of which have simply to do with their lack of deep knowledge on any important issues, but even more have to do with just being sleazeball opportunists. Both are extremely powerful (but only one has their finger on the button). Any attempt (including liberal ones) to be heavily critical of one but chronically defend the other is ridiculous and I refuse to beat around the bullshit on this issue. We can pat our heads and rub our bellies at the same time.
The lizard in the clip made it to the end and joined other lizards somewhere near the ocean and I cheered for him.
Was that lizard simply a dumb creature?
I think not. Evolution had obviously developed some form of innate intelligence in the creature over many years. A human being would never survive what that lizard had to go through, at least at the current state of evolution.
And that's the way I view politicians.The only debate is whether they are snakes or lizards.
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Manhattan real estate had a huge turn around in the 90s when Giuliani got tough on crime. Trump was in the right place at the right time. California needs a Giuliani.
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Is Mueller’s report going out with a whimper? It feels that way.
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Or maybe just some lessons from daddy and maybe HE is mobbed up and corrupt.Simonjester wrote: for those who think trump is dumb, try to open something as small as a street cart to sell hot dogs in NY city... not blowing "any" sized fortune, in especially in real estate in a city that big, unionised, regulated, legislated, corrupt, expensive, and mobbed up must take some kind of smarts.
Or maybe just provide some evidence that inherenting half a billion dollars in nyc is almost guaranteed to be a failure. Not just a break-even but a loss of everything. Or maybe you’ve opened up a hotdog stand in NYC and care to share you anecdotal story with us.
Simonjester wrote: I don’t think anybody is saying he didn’t have some excellent advantages, and some good luck thrown in as well. but it still takes a combination of business smarts, street smarts, and political smarts to operate in that environment, even on the hot dog stand level... I haven’t opened a business in a big city, but I have opened a business, but even if they haven’t I would think that most people have enough common sense to see that being without some good measure of the above mentioned "smarts" does in fact pretty much guaranty failure at either the billionaire or the hot dog stand level, and especially so in tough competitive place like NY .
as for the mobbed up comment ...really?..
you don’t think that if that were the case all the democrats and the majority of the republicans wouldn’t have pinned him to wall with it during the primary’s or the very second they caught scent of it.....
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Can't help but think of the movie Sleepers. Ugh.a hotdog stand in NYC
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Consider this: Trump was not the only millionaire in NYC in the 1990s. How many of them built a real estate empire and become billionaires? If it were that easy, why didn't more business moguls do the same thing?
People get uncomfortable when comparing themselves to someone who has achieved great success. It's human nature to rationalize it by saying things like "he just got lucky" or "he's actually not as smart as me". Plus, given the strong undercurrent of general hatred for the man, that's bound to translate into stories like that "he inherited $400 million" puff piece, which serve to stoke the fantasy further.
I really don't care about whether he's someone I'd want to have dinner with. I just care about what policies will survive his presidency, and what the effects will be on me and the people I care about. Short-sighted I know, but too bad. On balance, he's been more successful than either Obama or Bush in that regard.
People get uncomfortable when comparing themselves to someone who has achieved great success. It's human nature to rationalize it by saying things like "he just got lucky" or "he's actually not as smart as me". Plus, given the strong undercurrent of general hatred for the man, that's bound to translate into stories like that "he inherited $400 million" puff piece, which serve to stoke the fantasy further.
I really don't care about whether he's someone I'd want to have dinner with. I just care about what policies will survive his presidency, and what the effects will be on me and the people I care about. Short-sighted I know, but too bad. On balance, he's been more successful than either Obama or Bush in that regard.
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He. Didn’t. Build. Empire.WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:43 am Consider this: Trump was not the only millionaire in NYC in the 1990s. How many of them built a real estate empire and become billionaires? If it were that easy, why didn't more business moguls do the same thing?
People get uncomfortable when comparing themselves to someone who has achieved great success. It's human nature to rationalize it by saying things like "he just got lucky" or "he's actually not as smart as me". Plus, given the strong undercurrent of general hatred for the man, that's bound to translate into stories like that "he inherited $400 million" puff piece, which serve to stoke the fantasy further.
I really don't care about whether he's someone I'd want to have dinner with. I just care about what policies will survive his presidency, and what the effects will be on me and the people I care about. Short-sighted I know, but too bad. On balance, he's been more successful than either Obama or Bush in that regard.
He expanded a half a billion dollar one to a $???? one, via tax fraud and sleazeball business practices.
Also, plenty of folks probably just coasted on dividends and interest. I actually have more respect for that than trying to do what daddy did and not even beating the s&p 500.
It’s not a “puff piece.” I’m no bag man for NYT, but it’s some solid investigative reporting. That is, if you want to know if your President is a huckster fraud on top of being a general slimeball.
And How has he been “more successful” than Obama or Bush? Because he keeps brown people from wanting to come here?
It amazes me how folks can fold like a lawn chair to rent-seeking capital class fuckwits is beyond me. He’s no better than a lifelong welfare recipient. Even worse, he acts as a poster boy for all the temporarily embarrassed millionaires and hopes that one day they can too “build an empire” from a measly $400 million pittance.
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Well yeah, a $400 Million inheritance is quite the ovarian lottery.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:43 pmWhenever someone tells me that Trump is dumb, my answer is "Then he must be the luckiest man in the world!".WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:43 am Consider this: Trump was not the only millionaire in NYC in the 1990s. How many of them built a real estate empire and become billionaires? If it were that easy, why didn't more business moguls do the same thing?
People get uncomfortable when comparing themselves to someone who has achieved great success. It's human nature to rationalize it by saying things like "he just got lucky" or "he's actually not as smart as me". Plus, given the strong undercurrent of general hatred for the man, that's bound to translate into stories like that "he inherited $400 million" puff piece, which serve to stoke the fantasy further.
I really don't care about whether he's someone I'd want to have dinner with. I just care about what policies will survive his presidency, and what the effects will be on me and the people I care about. Short-sighted I know, but too bad. On balance, he's been more successful than either Obama or Bush in that regard.
Getting a 7-10% RoR on your money on real estate, however, is pretty par for the course... perhaps arguably pretty weak.
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OTOH, Hillary Clinton is notoriously smart.
It's all so wrong and unfair!
It's all so wrong and unfair!
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LOL to putting Hillary in the same category as AOC.
Speaking of folks "over-playing their hand," as utterly terrible as Hillary was, one thing she WASN'T was a left-wing commie. She was just your typical robotic war-mongering centrist corporatist democrat.
She wasn't going to raise billionaires' taxes to 70%, forgive student loans, or institute a green new deal. But conservatives acted like she was Vladmir Lenin.
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@moda... love the irony, railing against the press, the Don, Hillary and the previous three moron Republican presidents...and yet where are his narratives coming from?
Personally, I have no personal knowledge of any President in my lifetime. I do know how to spot a narrative being created and continued by their partisans. On the positive side...
Kennedy and Reagan were very good at inspiring Americans and asking us to strive to be our better selves and a better country.
Johnson did more than any single President behind Lincoln to actually advance civil rights
Nixon was pretty good at navigating the bi-polar world that existed at the time
Ford knew job 1 for his tenure was healing a very divided country and filled that role well
I do think Carter was a man of compassion and integrity
Bush 1 was a thoughtful statesman who surrounded himself with probably the best cabinet in my lifetime
Clinton was pretty good at economics and actually did bring the federal deficit down
Bush 2 was fundamentally a very good person and did many good things at an individual/family level that were never advertised and he never wanted them advertised...and he was smart enough to pick probably the best Fed Chairman in history.
Obama had the most rational foreign policy of any US President since Eisenhower and also actually brought the federal deficit down
Trump has been the first president in my life who actually does challenge the status quo and is not afraid to gore some very large oxes that probably need goring.
With regard to intelligence, everyone of them were smart enough to navigate and compete successfully enough to win both their party nomination and the presidency. As a minimum, they all made the right choices to get there and were smart enough to pick the team that helped them win. Everything I’ve ever read or watched about this process indicates it is exceedingly difficult on many levels financial, personal, family, organizational, communicative, and requires the ability to identify and campaign on those issues that motivate voters to pull the lever for them at that particular time in history.
Personally, I have no personal knowledge of any President in my lifetime. I do know how to spot a narrative being created and continued by their partisans. On the positive side...
Kennedy and Reagan were very good at inspiring Americans and asking us to strive to be our better selves and a better country.
Johnson did more than any single President behind Lincoln to actually advance civil rights
Nixon was pretty good at navigating the bi-polar world that existed at the time
Ford knew job 1 for his tenure was healing a very divided country and filled that role well
I do think Carter was a man of compassion and integrity
Bush 1 was a thoughtful statesman who surrounded himself with probably the best cabinet in my lifetime
Clinton was pretty good at economics and actually did bring the federal deficit down
Bush 2 was fundamentally a very good person and did many good things at an individual/family level that were never advertised and he never wanted them advertised...and he was smart enough to pick probably the best Fed Chairman in history.
Obama had the most rational foreign policy of any US President since Eisenhower and also actually brought the federal deficit down
Trump has been the first president in my life who actually does challenge the status quo and is not afraid to gore some very large oxes that probably need goring.
With regard to intelligence, everyone of them were smart enough to navigate and compete successfully enough to win both their party nomination and the presidency. As a minimum, they all made the right choices to get there and were smart enough to pick the team that helped them win. Everything I’ve ever read or watched about this process indicates it is exceedingly difficult on many levels financial, personal, family, organizational, communicative, and requires the ability to identify and campaign on those issues that motivate voters to pull the lever for them at that particular time in history.
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Nice to see some positivity, anyway.
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Tough crowd.
To quote Theodore Roosevelt:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
To quote Theodore Roosevelt:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
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* looking at the crystal ball *
I would say no. Although during the last elections I was even more sure that this would not happen under any circumstances. How wrong I was! I do not know whether it is funny or scary.
And again, all the media will return to the endless and pointless discussion of Russiagate instead of discussing his real sins and politics while US is becoming the world's largest offshore financial centre. Trump is not a politician. He is a businessman. He and his real estate empire have their own interest in everything. He is a showman.
I would say no. Although during the last elections I was even more sure that this would not happen under any circumstances. How wrong I was! I do not know whether it is funny or scary.
And again, all the media will return to the endless and pointless discussion of Russiagate instead of discussing his real sins and politics while US is becoming the world's largest offshore financial centre. Trump is not a politician. He is a businessman. He and his real estate empire have their own interest in everything. He is a showman.
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Yes!Kbg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:31 pm Tough crowd.
To quote Theodore Roosevelt:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
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stuper1 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:26 pm Any other Victor Davis Hanson fans here? He has a new book out called "The Case for Trump" discussing why Trump should get re-elected. I heard him interviewed on a podcast yesterday discussing the book. He seems like a thoughtful conservative. He doesn't like Trump's bombast, but he likes a lot of his policies. He lives in a farming region that could be described as low-rent (about 15 miles from me, who also lives in a low-rent area), and he seems to understand the frustrations of the lower class voters who elected Trump.
Hanson has his own podcast called The Classicist if anyone is interested.
Just read it. Good book, especially the Ancien Regime chapter.
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