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Honor / Virtue

Post by doodle » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:54 am

Another topic of interest to me...are honor and virtue becoming bygones or is it simply nostalgic thinking to imagine these once existed? Is our increasing urbanization leading to an anonymity that allows us to behave without honor and virtue and get away with it whereas in the past life in smaller towns meant we had to more closely protect our reputations through honorable and virtuous conduct? It seems to me that people have less inhibitions today about not being true to their word, or acting in ways that in the past would have them labeled as untrustworthy...
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Post by Tyler » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:55 am

Virtue is still going strong, although it has very much changed form. I'd argue social media is almost exclusively about virtue signalling. Now whether those virtues are noble or translate into real-world behaviors beyond the virtual facade is another matter entirely.
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Post by dualstow » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:38 pm

My thoughts and prayers go out to the virtue signalers

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Post by Michellebell » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:53 pm

doodle wrote:Another topic of interest to me...are honor and virtue becoming bygones or is it simply nostalgic thinking to imagine these once existed? Is our increasing urbanization leading to an anonymity that allows us to behave without honor and virtue and get away with it whereas in the past life in smaller towns meant we had to more closely protect our reputations through honorable and virtuous conduct? It seems to me that people have less inhibitions today about not being true to their word, or acting in ways that in the past would have them labeled as untrustworthy...
I would agree with you. The only times I've seen reputations meaning much of anything have been in books and movies for me.
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Post by dualstow » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:56 pm

Well, doodle, I guess it was the other thread in which you said you wanted to put morality aside.
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Post by eufo » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:38 pm

dualstow wrote:My thoughts and prayers go out to the virtue signalers

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Pure gold! :D
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Post by dualstow » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:17 pm

You guys are too much. It’s the simplest joke. O0
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Re: Honor / Virtue

Post by doodle » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:35 am

dualstow wrote:Well, doodle, I guess it was the other thread in which you said you wanted to put morality aside.
I say a lot of things...are you looking for some kind of consistency...because I will contradict myself constantly in service of the argument. I'm not running for political office here, I'm playing with ideas.

" A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. "

As far as virtue and morality perhaps I used the wrong terms but the event that led to the question was an incident of road rage that I witnessed and it struck me how that would never occur outside of a big city because driving like that in a small town where everyone knew you would immediately have you labeled and ostracized. I have also had issues hiring people on Craigslist who either don't show up or show up way late, or do crappy work with little repercussion. Again, in a small town they would quickly develop a bad reputation and either have to change or lose their job.
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Re: Honor / Virtue

Post by ochotona » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:26 am

I am a gun owner, but after the church shooting yesterday, I wonder if we, as a people, deserve the Second Amendment any longer. Because in 2017 there's no Honor or Virtue remaining. People are just selfish, sick, and twisted from the highest levels of government and business down to the rank and file.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:28 am

ochotona wrote:I am a gun owner, but after the church shooting yesterday, I wonder if we, as a people, deserve the Second Amendment any longer. Because in 2017 there's no Honor or Virtue remaining. People are just selfish, sick, and twisted from the highest levels of government and business down to the rank and file.
It is precisely the 2nd Amendment that protects our right to defend ourselves and our neighbors.

If there had been a non-criminal there with a gun, the number of lives lost would almost certainly have been significantly less.

What we need is for every church to have armed congregants at every service or other meeting where there are more than one or two people.
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Re: Honor / Virtue

Post by dualstow » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:01 am

@doodle: gotcha. Understood.
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Re: Honor / Virtue

Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:27 am

Simonjester wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote:
ochotona wrote:I am a gun owner, but after the church shooting yesterday, I wonder if we, as a people, deserve the Second Amendment any longer. Because in 2017 there's no Honor or Virtue remaining. People are just selfish, sick, and twisted from the highest levels of government and business down to the rank and file.
It is precisely the 2nd Amendment that protects our right to defend ourselves and our neighbors.

If there had been a non-criminal there with a gun, the number of lives lost would almost certainly have been significantly less.

What we need is for every church to have armed congregants at every service or other meeting where there are more than one or two people.
i am far from having heard the full story yet, but wasn't there an armed civilian involved with shots fired and then a car chase? unless i am confusing it with other news i believe i have read that a non criminal engaged the shooter as he left the area then chased him in a car so he wouldn't escape..

edit to add.. i looked it up - this at cnn http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/texas- ... index.html
Yes, it was a private citizen who confronted him and got him to drop his weapon.

Anyone still want to argue that private gun ownership has no benefits to others?
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Post by Michellebell » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:46 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
ochotona wrote:I am a gun owner, but after the church shooting yesterday, I wonder if we, as a people, deserve the Second Amendment any longer. Because in 2017 there's no Honor or Virtue remaining. People are just selfish, sick, and twisted from the highest levels of government and business down to the rank and file.
It is precisely the 2nd Amendment that protects our right to defend ourselves and our neighbors.

If there had been a non-criminal there with a gun, the number of lives lost would almost certainly have been significantly less.

What we need is for every church to have armed congregants at every service or other meeting where there are more than one or two people.
The church shooting that just occurred in Tennessee, the story that seems to have been buried by the mainstream media, is a perfect example of this. The shooter only managed to kill one person before he was shot by one of the church members.

The only way to make criminals not have access to guns is to make them ALL disappear, which I don't think is at all possible. Taking the guns away from the people who follow the rules will only make people more unsafe. It's illogical to think that people willing to commit mass murder are going to follow new gun laws.

So sad though!!! How to get people to stop killing each other, whether they use a gun, car, knives, whatever, is the real question.
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Re: Honor / Virtue

Post by Michellebell » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:37 pm

Actually I was a little mistaken. The man who owned the gun who shot the Tennessee shooter actually left his gun in the car and confronted the shooter physically. The shooter then accidentally shot himself during the struggle.

So I wasn't totally correct. http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/24/22-ye ... h-shooter/

I still think that if we take away guns from law-abiding citizens, that's a recipe for disaster. The only ones left with the guns will be the criminals, the police, and the politicians.
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Re: Honor / Virtue

Post by Michellebell » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:43 pm

Libertarian666 wrote: Although this particular case is theoretically not political in nature, a lot of the violence certainly is. So since the vast majority of politically-based attacks are by unhinged "progressives", perhaps the first step would be for the "mainstream media" to stop painting all Trump supporters as Nazis. Obviously if they are Nazis, it is practically a civic duty to attack them.
Yes I think that this is the cause of a lot of the violence occurring these days. I just saw that Rand Paul was attacked while mowing his lawn. Think about it, Charlottesville, Antifa gangs that have gotten out of control in places like Berkeley, even things like vandalism - Ben Carson had his home vandalized recently.

There is a LOT of hate coming from the left these days. I'm sure there are plenty of good, decent people who dislike Trump and the Republicans, but seriously some of these people are thinking that it's okay to commit crimes against innocent people because they believe that these people are evil.
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Re: Honor / Virtue

Post by Maddy » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:14 am

Libertarian666 wrote: Although this particular case is theoretically not political in nature, a lot of the violence certainly is. So since the vast majority of politically-based attacks are by unhinged "progressives", perhaps the first step would be for the "mainstream media" to stop painting all Trump supporters as Nazis. Obviously if they are Nazis, it is practically a civic duty to attack them.
It wasn't more than an hour after the shooting occurred that several mainstream media outlets declared that the motive was "not political." At that point, it was not clear that they had even figured out who the shooter was.

I would not at all be surprised if the increasingly frequent calls for violence by the Disgruntled Left--not only against Trump but against Christians, conservatives, and white people--incited this act. The Left's rage against all things traditional, and its indiscriminate call for violent action as the means to achieve justice for unspecified transgressions, undoubtedly speaks to every unhinged kook with an axe to grind.

IMHO, the progressive loudmouths who issue and publicize statements advocating violence are consummate pussies whose objective is to have other, more vulnerable, people do their bidding.
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Post by Michellebell » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:32 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Maddy wrote:
Libertarian666 wrote: Although this particular case is theoretically not political in nature, a lot of the violence certainly is. So since the vast majority of politically-based attacks are by unhinged "progressives", perhaps the first step would be for the "mainstream media" to stop painting all Trump supporters as Nazis. Obviously if they are Nazis, it is practically a civic duty to attack them.
It wasn't more than an hour after the shooting occurred that several mainstream media outlets declared that the motive was "not political." At that point, it was not clear that they had even figured out who the shooter was.

I would not at all be surprised if the increasingly frequent calls for violence by the Disgruntled Left--not only against Trump but against Christians, conservatives, and white people--incited this act. The Left's rage against all things traditional, and its indiscriminate call for violent action as the means to achieve justice for unspecified transgressions, undoubtedly speaks to every unhinged kook with an axe to grind.

IMHO, the progressive loudmouths who issue and publicize statements advocating violence are consummate pussies whose objective is to have other, more vulnerable, people do their bidding.
Absolutely.
Agreed. As horrible as this sounds, I was expecting something like this to happen after hearing the "civil war" talk starting November 4.
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